Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Specialka]

Still waiting for link's for Alain Bauer in regard to Russia and Ukraine. If you don't provide any I will just assume you are full of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP16Wgixt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gej1d4hhp1c

[Iliena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP16Wgixt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gej1d4hhp1c

OK I've watched both. I'm not sure what you got from those vid that is that much different to what I already know and has been reported by reputable English speaking press.

So I guess I know more than you think! and I learned nothing to change my views on getting the Russians out of Ukraine!

[Jastall]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP16Wgixt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gej1d4hhp1c

I mean none of this is groundbreaking analysis. I see similar takes on my provincial TV news fairly frequently. And the distinctions between the USSR and Russian Empire aren't that considerable in the first place, one merely exerted quite a bit of influence on its neighbors while the other controlled them directly on paper, but in practice still left them a decent amount of autonomy on internal matters. Putin knows he likely can't just completely absorb everything east of Germany no matter how hard he tries so he goes for the next best thing of making the region Russia's sphere of influence there. Just not very well.

Bauer being fairly well known for being a smug know-it-all doesn't help matters, as well.

[Zaydin]

Russia has literally been a democracy since 1993. Why would you lie about basic facts like this?

Russia as it is now is a democracy in name only, just like China is a Republic in name only.

Elections in Russia are effectively rigged in Putlers and his parties favor and he has likely corrupted the system to such an extent that it will be unable to function once he is finally gone. The Duma is nothing more than a rubber stamp for whatever Putler wants.

[Kaleredar]

Not even close to what I said or implied. But keep trying, you'll get there.

hmmm

Obviously they are the one giving the most aid to Ukraine. Beside Russia, there are the most to blame for this mess.

Seems like that's exactly what you said.

[Corvus]

A russian military priest who accompanied russian paratroopers and told russian mothers if they lost a son in battle to just have another one, received a visit from St HIMARS.

Another russian priest put out a helpful video on the correct prayer to say when loading ammo, including to Tsar Nicholas. Next they will be praying to the machine spirit...

[Collegeguy]

Muh both sides.

Probably one of the biggest travesties of history is the Russians convincing themselves they were good doers against the Nazis.

I mean sweet baby jesus, they were allied with them when they could be, and they killed far more people than the Nazis did.

[Kallisto]

Russia has literally been a democracy since 1993. Why would you lie about basic facts like this?

Nah 1993 was the day the chance of democracy in Russia died. Yeltsin pointing tanks at the Russian parliament and arresting his opposition was the last attempt. Even the 1996 presidential election wouldn't pass for a proper democratic vote.

[Makabreska]

Probably one of the biggest travesties of history is the Russians convincing themselves they were good doers against the Nazis.

I mean sweet baby jesus, they were allied with them when they could be, and they killed far more people than the Nazis did.

Pretty amazing how almost entire nation could be brainwashed to really think that Western Front never happened and it's Soviet Nation that freed the Europe from Hitler.

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Russia has literally been a democracy since 1993. Why would you lie about basic facts like this?

Uh, c'mon dude. How much democracy and free speech have you seen in Russia in the past two decades?

[Kaleredar]

Pretty amazing how almost entire nation could be brainwashed to really think that Western Front never happened and it's Soviet Nation that freed the Europe from Hitler.

Don't forget the "It's really Russia that defeated Japan by declaring war on them, not the US and joint efforts of the allied powers waging war on them for years" thread that flits around.

[Specialka]

hmmm



Seems like that's exactly what you said.

Nope ? It is there in the text. Once you have given the biggest share of responsability to Russia, the second one is for the USA.

[Gabriel]

Nope ? It is there in the text. Once you have given the biggest share of responsability to Russia, the second one is for the USA.

USA is to blame for not throwing Ukraine under the buss? Okie dokie.

[Specialka]

Pretty amazing how almost entire nation could be brainwashed to really think that Western Front never happened and it's Soviet Nation that freed the Europe from Hitler.

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Uh, c'mon dude. How much democracy and free speech have you seen in Russia in the past two decades?

On the other side, lots of people think that the USA defeated Germany single handely. It is a bit more nuanced than that.

[Nymrohd]

On the other side, lots of people think that the USA defeated Germany single handely. It is a bit more nuanced than that.

Do they? I thought even in the US is that the narrative is that the US led the Allies to a victory, not that it won alone.

[Iphie]

USA is to blame for not throwing Ukraine under the buss? Okie dokie.

About that....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...droidApp_Other

Do they? I thought even in the US is that the narrative is that the US led the Allies to a victory, not that it won alone.

Depends on who you ask tbh, but a not insignificant chunk does buy into the narrative that it was the US and the US alone.

[Nymrohd]

Depends on who you ask tbh, but a not insignificant chunk does buy into the narrative that it was the US and the US alone.

But is that taught? Is it implied in the way history is taught or in the way the events are presented in most media? My understanding is, Russians are led to believe what they believe (similar to how the Japanese are taught they did nothing wrong to the Koreans or Chinese in WW2 through their culture). People from the US are not taught so, they choose to believe that.

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About that....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...droidApp_Other

While I fully agree with Zelenskiy that there is not much value negotiating a truce when Russians are still occupying significant parts of Ukraine (unless that truce involves their orderly withdrawal), being unwilling to negotiate with the current government is just pointless on his side and an easy diplomatic win.

[Poopymonster]

Do they? I thought even in the US is that the narrative is that the US led the Allies to a victory, not that it won alone.

Though not outright stated, it's heavily implied that once Pearl Harbor happened the US put on their big boy pants then...

D-day: When the US lead the crumpet fuckers, cheese fuckers, and all of you other fuckers to glorious victory in record time.
Everything else is insignificant details.
USA! USA! USA!

[Nymrohd]

Though not outright stated, it's heavily implied that once Pearl Harbor happened the US put on their big boy pants then...

D-day: When the US lead the crumpet fuckers, cheese fuckers, and all of you other fuckers to glorious victory in record time.
Everything else is insignificant details.
USA! USA! USA!

Yikes, well I don't really have the highest opinion for the USA's ability to teach history (or geography) to their people so I guess that may be so.

[Poopymonster]

Yikes, well I don't really have the highest opinion for the USA's ability to teach history (or geography) to their people so I guess that may be so.

Don't forget the sciences!
"I am required to teach evolution, but we all know what really happened." or get into fetuses.
It's a brave new world of stupid.

[MCMLXXXII]

After the failure of Market Garden the Yanks didn't want to set foot in my little country again. It was the British and Canadians insisting to liberate them because controlling the Netherlands was controlling the main supply routes. So mostly liberated by Brits and Canadians. And some Georgians on the isle of Texel. Everything on the east of Europe was "liberated" by the Red Army.