Russian invasion of Ukraine

[D Luniz]

They can't even supply their current army with clothes and weapons, I don't want to even think of what those kids are going to be training with.

copies of CS:Go?

[Iphie]

Next step on the path to child soldiers - the Kremlin has announced compulsory military training will start in russian high schools from 2023.

Welp, Neo-Soviet Union it is then.

[Dontrike]

copies of CS:Go?

Or Sims 3, they seem to have a lot of copies of that laying around.

[YUPPIE]

russian troops building up in belarus despite people adamantly believing lukashenko doesn't want to get too involved.

this lukashenko character is polarizing. While he's all around evil, some days people claim he's not as stupid as he looks, other times that he is indeed that stupid. Which is important to consider for his role in this war.

[jonnysensible]

russian troops building up in belarus despite people adamantly believing lukashenko doesn't want to get too involved.

what they going to do try and walk to kyiv again but this time against himars?

[Corvus]

The russians in Belarus are at training camps. While some mobiks were just thrown to the frontlines as meatshields, at least some are getting some training. Given russias training facilities are limited, they are using Belarusian camps.

[Blur4stuff]

If Russia still exists after this, it's going to take them a few centuries to make up for this population loss.

[Corvus]

Even before this their demographics were in dire straits. Modern birth trends mean they will likely never recover. That's part of the reason they are abducting so many people.

[Specialka]

This moral grandstanding about "human life" is pathetic no matter who does it. Just stop. Not all human life is sacred. War crimes beget retribution.

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If they expected it to be over in days, they should have withdrawn days after failing their "three day war". What you've made is an excuse, pure and simple. Russia made the decision to keep going, valuing their pride over other people's lives. Why should their lives be valued when they deliberately throw away the lives of others?

War crimes beget justice. Never conflate justice with retribution.

[Dontrike]

War crimes beget justice. Never conflate justice with retribution.

You understand that consequences come an attacker's way, right?

[YUPPIE]

what they going to do try and walk to kyiv again but this time against himars?

you make it sound like the belarusian army is just another set of untrained thugs, not counting the russians

[Vladier]

I've been mentioning this a couple times in the past: a good 30 years ago the peoples all over eastern Europe brought their governments down, many of us live in freedom now because of it. Russians made the USSR crumble, they can bring down ruSSia too.

The fall of USSR was accomplished with tacit support from Gorbachev who decided that keeping it intact would require too much bloodshed. He could've just suppressed the protests with military force, like he had done previously, but he found within himself the strength to admit defeat. Unarmed civilians realistically cannot do anything to stop and actually armed government that is prepared to use deadly force.

I can easily imagine that, should a large protest ever form anywhere in Russia, Putin would suppress it with Rosgvardia while hiding in his palace, and should there be violence, all he would do is fire the ones in charge to make it seem like he disapproves and then blame the Collective West/USA/Anglo-Saxons for creating the protest. Also, no media would cover it, except for the part with Putin's "benevolence".

[Elenos]

Possibly although I believe Gorbachev saw that the system of the USSR just wasn't workable anymore, the Warsaw pact had collapsed before that and the simple reality was there was no economic future for the USSR. The brain drain was significant and trying to maintain the status quo wasn't going to work. He tried to reform it under the the New Union Treaty which could have worked although some countries, like the Batlics, Georgia, Armenia and Moldova would have tried to leave all the same, how successful they would have been is another matter.

The coup attempt put an end to that. Without the coup attempt perhaps we'd see a continued Soviet Union, under a different name, democratic and so on but still.

[Corvus]

you make it sound like the belarusian army is just another set of untrained thugs, not counting the russians

You saw how poor russias army turned out? Well the Belarusian one is worse. It's got a tiny budget, not many troops, it's equipment is even older than russias and it is conscripts based. If ordered its unlikely they fight.

Plus Lukashenko only retains power by having the army around. If that goes, he is in trouble.

It'd be a slaughter. The Ukrainians have been preparing extensive defences along the border, are much better equipped and battle hardened.

[zealo]

You saw how poor russias army turned out? Well the Belarusian one is worse. It's got a tiny budget, not many troops, it's equipment is even older than russias and it is conscripts based. If ordered its unlikely they fight.

Plus Lukashenko only retains power by having the army around. If that goes, he is in trouble.

It'd be a slaughter. The Ukrainians have been preparing extensive defences along the border, are much better equipped and battle hardened.

Not only that, the border regions between Ukraine and Belarus has some of the largest natural wetlands in Europe, getting bogged down in a front there would be absolutely miserable for them to deal with.

[Gorsameth]

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that the post was about Russian civilians not violently rebelling against their government, despite having no chance to actually succeed at it, not about soldiers.

If the 3-400.000 that fled mobilization instead marched on the Kremlin, do you think that would have done nothing?

[Vladier]

If the 3-400.000 that fled mobilization instead marched on the Kremlin, do you think that would have done nothing?

You say that as if the Kremlin was just around the corner from them. The thing is, most of the people who fled were pretty much already on Russia's border, so they fled to Kazakhstan or Georgia, or wherever. There is also a matter of communication - any attempts at forming a protest are monitored, and any liberal networking efforts that could assist with that were crushed a long time ago, before and after 2012, and most people around whom a large scale protest could crystallize are living in exile or are incarcerated. Fleeing to another country is easier to do, because it can be done all by yourself.

So while I don't think that a rebellion of 400000 fleeing mobilized men would be easy to put down even for Putin, that such a rebellion could be formed in the first place is a fantasy that does not involve understanding of the kind of logistics such a rebellion would require. Putin even sidestepped the "disgruntled army outside the capital" issue that doomed the Russian Empire by sending the mobilized "soldiers" directly to war rather than bothering to train and organize them first.

[Rustedsaint]

If the 3-400.000 that fled mobilization instead marched on the Kremlin, do you think that would have done nothing?

Probably nothing, kremlin has already shown it’s not afraid to massacre it’s own citizens, kill enough to send the crowd stampeding away from the kremlin then blame “western agents” for inciting the mob.
Never forget that millions died to the Soviet Union actions, these people who “inherited” the will of the union are just as cable.

[Vampiregenesis]

I see somewhere that the russians are trying to damage nova kakhova, was it a trap after all?

[zealo]

I see somewhere that the russians are trying to damage nova kakhova, was it a trap after all?

Wouldn't make much sense at this moment. The side of the river the Russians are on is the one most susceptible for flooding if the dam broke. Id be cautious until we see wider confirmation of it happening.