Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

You know, if it wasn't for the fact that the guy was black I'd think Wagner recruited him...In any case a disturbing development. Seems I'll be postponing my trip to russia indefinitely. (Going from not this lifetime to never EVER in this or any other lifetime.)

Just the Russki mir my friend.

Your life for Moscow, such is the fate of all subjugated peoples under their banner.

[Kaleredar]

I saw just mentions that Russia allows foreigners to fight in russian army, not that they forcibly conscript them...like:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/14/7376300/

But then...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/14/a...ntl/index.html



I would not be surprised if anyone not-russian suddenly ends up in Ukraine, totally out of their "free will".

Sounds like a damn good way to start alienating all of those "non-western" countries that Russian apologists claim are on Russia's side "against the decadent west" in this little tiff they started.

Poor kid, from the sound of it. Went to Moscow trying to learn a better life. Jailed on likely trumped up charges. Sent off to die pointlessly. But if Russia keeps this up sending foreign nationals to die for them they're looking at an even greater geopolitical cluster fuck from countries that were otherwise staying out of it. Hell, I can only imagine the shitstorm if they accidentally send some Chinese kid they imprisoned for some half-assed reason to get killed. China's "support" would dry up real damn quick.

[jonnysensible]

Sounds like a damn good way to start alienating all of those "non-western" countries that Russian apologists claim are on Russia's side "against the decadent west" in this little tiff they started.

Poor kid, from the sound of it. Went to Moscow trying to learn a better life. Jailed on likely trumped up charges. Sent off to die pointlessly. But if Russia keeps this up sending foreign nationals to die for them they're looking at an even greater geopolitical cluster fuck from countries that were otherwise staying out of it. Hell, I can only imagine the shitstorm if they accidentally send some Chinese kid they imprisoned for some half-assed reason to get killed. China's "support" would dry up real damn quick.

not to mention all the laborers from the 'Stans will be considering leaving. RIP economy some more.

[Iphie]

Sounds like a damn good way to start alienating all of those "non-western" countries that Russian apologists claim are on Russia's side "against the decadent west" in this little tiff they started.

Poor kid, from the sound of it. Went to Moscow trying to learn a better life. Jailed on likely trumped up charges. Sent off to die pointlessly. But if Russia keeps this up sending foreign nationals to die for them they're looking at an even greater geopolitical cluster fuck from countries that were otherwise staying out of it. Hell, I can only imagine the shitstorm if they accidentally send some Chinese kid they imprisoned for some half-assed reason to get killed. China's "support" would dry up real damn quick.

I think China's "support" is already non-existent, given how Biden and Xi seem to actively try to de-escalate and somewhat thaw out Sino-US relations.

[YUPPIE]

I think China's "support" is already non-existent

Putin and Xi are friends. The latter would not want to see him killed.

[Kaleredar]

I think China's "support" is already non-existent, given how Biden and Xi seem to actively try to de-escalate and somewhat thaw out Sino-US relations.

Sure, but right right now China is still in the “both sides, play it cool” camp wherein they’re trying to still look like they’re friends with Russia (to use them as an easy source of gas and resources they can rather unilaterally exploit) whilst still maintaining the lucrative trade networks with the western world they care far more about.

[diller]

Putin and Xi are friends. The latter would not want to see him killed.

No they aren't friends at all, China has close contacts to Russia for strategic reasons only.

[Lahis]

No they aren't friends at all, China has close contacts to Russia for strategic reasons only.

Enwmy of my enemy. They're only together because they both oppose the west.

[Iphie]

Enwmy of my enemy. They're only together because they both oppose the west.

Myeah, but russia is now taking it too far for China I think. China isn't a huge fan of nuclear dick waving.

[Yunru]

yea not sure about that at all, crossing from ochakiv with your only supply line being ribs seems like a stupid thing to do, and crossing the river into 2 lines of defense seems also bad.

again Melitopol' is the logical next target to separate the russians into 2 sectors and cut the supply lines in kherson/crimea.

They are probaly attacking before russans can dig in, so areas are probaly not defended well. Also they did get some free boats not that long ago.

[Gorsameth]

Enwmy of my enemy. They're only together because they both oppose the west.

China wants to oppose the West but they don't want war.

War is bad for the economy which is bad for China.

[Corvus]

The Ukrainians are reporting that the russians have retreated 15-20km behind the Dneiper, just to get out of Ukrainian artillery range (well, except for HIMARs and other rounds they have that can hit that far.) They are giving up the best defensive position they could have just so they don't get shot at. They must have been in worse shape than first thought.

It goes both ways as well - if the Ukrainians cant hit them, they can't hit the Ukrainians and can't prevent them getting across.

[Iphie]

The Ukrainians are reporting that the russians have retreated 15-20km behind the Dneiper, just to get out of Ukrainian artillery range (well, except for HIMARs and other rounds they have that can hit that far.) They are giving up the best defensive position they could have just so they don't get shot at. They must have been in worse shape than first thought.

It goes both ways as well - if the Ukrainians cant hit them, they can't hit the Ukrainians and can't prevent them getting across.

Oof...so those reports of Ukrainians crossing the Dnieper aren't totally far fetched?

[Slant]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

Your logic has holes in it that are bigger than the grand canyon. By your logic nobody is allowed to shoot any soldier until they do something bad.

That is nonsense. Your poor victims are in a sovereign nation waging war against that country. By definition that country has the right to defend itself with lethal force.

End of story. There is nothing further to discuss. Stop whining about the poor fate of an invading army because the defending country has the audacity to defend itself.

Wtf is wrong with you

The fix is not to ask for Ukraine to show mercy and stop killing them. The fix is for Russia to gtfo of Ukraine.

[Saradain]

Aaand Russia being Russia, "avenging" military actions by Ukraine, by murdering civilians. And some posters here call Ukraine terrorists

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Massive missile attack! Missiles have entered our airspace.

Today Russians will try to repeat the 10th of October. Air raid alert all over Ukraine, except Crimea.

[YUPPIE]

Aaand Russia being Russia, "avenging" military actions by Ukraine, by murdering civilians. And some posters here call Ukraine terrorists

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

it's a follow-up to when Putin said the last time "that wasn't even close to the worst we could have done" on Oct 31st.

[Iphie]

Aaand Russia being Russia, "avenging" military actions by Ukraine, by murdering civilians. And some posters here call Ukraine terrorists

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Seems AA has worked to an extent though.

[Saradain]

it's a follow-up to when Putin said the last time "that wasn't even close to the worst we could have done" on Oct 31st.

Which wasn't news at all, Russia was always going to genocide civilians. Anything that could change that would be more deadly weapons, resulting in same thing - civilians targeted and killed.

Putin has nothing new left to threaten with. In fact, even killing a single more civilian would be the same thing as "not the worst we could do"...Because after killing 1000 civilians, 1 more is worse, but nothing new or meaningful tactics-wise.

[Corvus]

it's a follow-up to when Putin said the last time "that wasn't even close to the worst we could have done" on Oct 31st.

Only damage reported is 2 residential buildings so this wasn't even close to the damage of the last temper tantrum.

[YUPPIE]

Which wasn't news at all, Russia was always going to genocide civilians. Anything that could change that would be more deadly weapons, resulting in same thing - civilians targeted and killed.

Putin has nothing new left to threaten with. In fact, even killing a single more civilian would be the same thing as "not the worst we could do"...Because after killing 1000 civilians, 1 more is worse, but nothing new or meaningful tactics-wise.

guy genocides civilians and casually lets you know it's his thing and is still alive, no attempts made at assassinating him, politicians still bartering with him forgas/grain. He knows he's untouchable so it enables him to do this stuff.