1. #26081
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Link doesn't seem to be correct. Or is RT blocked in Europe?

    But yeah, Nazi Russia denying something (on their Kremlin propaganda websites such as RT) is a nice not-so-subtle hint at the actual truth

  2. #26082
    Quote Originally Posted by ldev View Post
    Well then, until next "accidental" bombing from ruzz in NATO territory. West never learns.
    More like the West doesn't care, at the end of it. What matters to the west the most is money and political superiority, war is expensive, it is much cheaper to arm the people in Ukraine to fight and die for their interest of weakening russia, all the while owing them for the support in weapons and rebuilding later on.

  3. #26083
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    Some interesting diplomacy going on around the Russian missile strike on Poland. BTW, the strike was *9 miles* inside Poland, so it's very very unlikely that these were remains of Russian missiles hit by Ukrainian air defense. They wouldn't have gone another 9+ miles in that case. But a number of diplomats are pushing that story. For the Russians these were either intentional, or "duds" that went incredibly off-track. Considering the number of failed launches that have hit Russian buildings and infrastructure that wouldn't be entirely surprising.

    Either way a very bad move by Russia even if unintentional, either risking targeting that close to the border and/or having weapons that inept (and especially knowing their missiles are quite prone to going astray). Diplomats on all sides will try to de-escalate, but there will be repercussions. It might be tomorrow, or it might be covertly 2 years from now, but it won't go unanswered. And it will also very likely lead to even more increased weapons help for the Ukrainian defense against the Russian invasion. Although that's turned into a haphazard Russian defense of their rout hoping to just hold onto Crimea at this point.

    People tend to fight for their homeland a bit harder than invaders trying to occupy it for expansionist "Lebensraum", something they learned tragically 75 years ago firsthand but somehow forgot. It's why people study history, because it's as close as we can get to predicting the future. And when history is ignored and mistakes are replicated, the result is usually the same. And though the weapons are different there are plenty of parallels between Operation Barbarossa and this Special Military Operation in being a surprise attack after many false denials, failed logistics, failed military leadership, political meddling in military decisions, etc. And we aren't even to Winter yet.

  4. #26084
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Perhaps, but NK quality is shite and Iran claims not to be interested in supplying rockets, drones yes, rockets, no.

    In any case "native" russian rockets are running out.
    North Koreans probably make better rockets then the Iranians, the Iranian ones where developed based on North Korean ones. They've been shipping their missiles IKEA style in boxes to Iran for a while now. When the proxy war between Iran and the Saudis started, North Korean rockets where used to strike certain Saudi targets. These days the Iranians probably produce similar rockets themselves. Although it would be possible that certain parts are still sourced from NK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Link doesn't seem to be correct. Or is RT blocked in Europe?

    But yeah, Nazi Russia denying something (on their Kremlin propaganda websites such as RT) is a nice not-so-subtle hint at the actual truth
    My google-fu shows that finland has blocked RT.

  6. #26086
    Quote Originally Posted by lllll View Post
    My google-fu shows that finland has blocked RT.
    Gotcha. Just wanted to see the source material myself but I'll take the word from here that its "legit".

  7. #26087
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Link doesn't seem to be correct. Or is RT blocked in Europe?

    But yeah, Nazi Russia denying something (on their Kremlin propaganda websites such as RT) is a nice not-so-subtle hint at the actual truth
    It's working for me and I'm in Europe. They just updated it with more:

    Statements by Polish media and officials about the alleged ‘Russian’ missiles falling in the area of the village of Przewodow are “a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation,” the Russian military said.
    The familiar odour of bullshit wafting out of the Kremlin.

  8. #26088
    so russia accidentally missiled Poland and killed 2 people. You people don't need to doubt or speculate over that much.

    Now, NATO better not kowtow to Russia. Let's go.
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  9. #26089
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Please, stop overestimating us.
    I don't know man... Warsaw uprising was brutal. Give Poles a few good weapons and a good cause and watch what happens... I'd put my money on Poland right now. There's like 80 years of anger in a very tiny pressure kettle and Russia just tapped the release valve for funsies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by melzas View Post
    Polish national TV already confirmed it was a missile... Interesting.
    I dont think its a good enogh reason to go full Nato on them. Since they didnt realy hit military targets.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

  11. #26091
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    The familiar odour of bullshit wafting out of the Kremlin.
    It is par the course, lets see if the poles resort to saber rattling or actually try to invoke article 5, the latter will most likely cause a shitshow within nato.

  12. #26092
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    The familiar odour of bullshit wafting out of the Kremlin.
    Doesn't matter, read what he says... Russia is thinking about escalation with NATO. If they think NATO is going to get involved, there's no threat to contain the stupid anymore. They might go all in. So far, firm statements of NATO countries seem to have put a limit on the escalation, you don't want to throw that away too quickly.
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  13. #26093
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    so russia accidentally missiled Poland and killed 2 people. You people don't need to doubt or speculate over that much.

    Now, NATO better not kowtow to Russia. Let's go.
    Don't go call yourself a prophet any time soon. What I was told by my polish wife was that the polish media speculated a chance that ukrainian missile defense system projectile might have either strayed for unknown reason, or changed the trajectory of the russian rocket.

    I find it hard to believe though, that a counter-missile system would stray 100km from the actual target, or simply after hitting the alleged russian rocket, it surviving to stray so far.

    But damn you must be excited.

  14. #26094
    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    I dont think its a good enogh reason to go full Nato on them. Since they didnt realy hit military targets.
    Technically, it is a reason good enough to go all NATO on them.

    It will be political rationale that prevents Poland from doing that. But absolutely, the treaties make no difference of accident or deliberate... an attack is an attack. And an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us.

    TECHNICALLY, Poland could say "Don't sweat it" and Lithuania might still be legally justified to go full medieval on St. Petersburg.
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  15. #26095
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Let's go.
    YUPPIE, when are you signing up to join the NATO armed forces?

  16. #26096
    I just hope you people understand the gravity of NATO's response here: If they don't do anything in response to this, Putin absolutely wins and is emboldened; NATO loses all credibility as a defensive pact, other dictatorships in the world will rise up at the moment.

    They must do something.
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  17. #26097
    I do not see Article 5 being activated, but I do see a bunch of countries giving Ukraine more advanced military equipment, stuff that we have held back as to not escalate stuff too much. Russia continues to show how incompetent they are.

  18. #26098
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I just hope you people understand the gravity of NATO's response here: If they don't do anything, Putin absolutely wins and is emboldened.

    They must do something.
    So if NATO doesn't right now wipe out Russia, Ukraine somehow loses all its people, culture and territory like Thanos snap?

    Try to be consistent. Something likely WILL be done, but that doesn't mean a fucking world war.

  19. #26099
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I just hope you people understand the gravity of NATO's response here: If they don't do anything in response to this, Putin absolutely wins and is emboldened; NATO loses all credibility as a defensive pact, other dictatorships in the world will rise up at the moment.

    They must do something.
    You know there is a wide range of options between "do nothing" and "militarily invade Russia," right?

  20. #26100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Try to be consistent. Something likely WILL be done, but that doesn't mean a fucking world war.
    It wouldn't be a world war, Russia has like two to three nations willing to fight for them and none of them are a heavyweight.

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