Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Yunru]

Polish national TV already confirmed it was a missile... Interesting.

I dont think its a good enogh reason to go full Nato on them. Since they didnt realy hit military targets.

[Combatbutler]

The familiar odour of bullshit wafting out of the Kremlin.

It is par the course, lets see if the poles resort to saber rattling or actually try to invoke article 5, the latter will most likely cause a shitshow within nato.

[Slant]

The familiar odour of bullshit wafting out of the Kremlin.

Doesn't matter, read what he says... Russia is thinking about escalation with NATO. If they think NATO is going to get involved, there's no threat to contain the stupid anymore. They might go all in. So far, firm statements of NATO countries seem to have put a limit on the escalation, you don't want to throw that away too quickly.

[Saradain]

so russia accidentally missiled Poland and killed 2 people. You people don't need to doubt or speculate over that much.

Now, NATO better not kowtow to Russia. Let's go.

Don't go call yourself a prophet any time soon. What I was told by my polish wife was that the polish media speculated a chance that ukrainian missile defense system projectile might have either strayed for unknown reason, or changed the trajectory of the russian rocket.

I find it hard to believe though, that a counter-missile system would stray 100km from the actual target, or simply after hitting the alleged russian rocket, it surviving to stray so far.

But damn you must be excited.

[Slant]

I dont think its a good enogh reason to go full Nato on them. Since they didnt realy hit military targets.

Technically, it is a reason good enough to go all NATO on them.

It will be political rationale that prevents Poland from doing that. But absolutely, the treaties make no difference of accident or deliberate... an attack is an attack. And an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us.

TECHNICALLY, Poland could say "Don't sweat it" and Lithuania might still be legally justified to go full medieval on St. Petersburg.

[Edge-]

Let's go.

YUPPIE, when are you signing up to join the NATO armed forces?

[YUPPIE]

I just hope you people understand the gravity of NATO's response here: If they don't do anything in response to this, Putin absolutely wins and is emboldened; NATO loses all credibility as a defensive pact, other dictatorships in the world will rise up at the moment.

They must do something.

[Deus Mortis]

I do not see Article 5 being activated, but I do see a bunch of countries giving Ukraine more advanced military equipment, stuff that we have held back as to not escalate stuff too much. Russia continues to show how incompetent they are.

[Saradain]

I just hope you people understand the gravity of NATO's response here: If they don't do anything, Putin absolutely wins and is emboldened.

They must do something.

So if NATO doesn't right now wipe out Russia, Ukraine somehow loses all its people, culture and territory like Thanos snap?

Try to be consistent. Something likely WILL be done, but that doesn't mean a fucking world war.

[DarkTZeratul]

I just hope you people understand the gravity of NATO's response here: If they don't do anything in response to this, Putin absolutely wins and is emboldened; NATO loses all credibility as a defensive pact, other dictatorships in the world will rise up at the moment.

They must do something.

You know there is a wide range of options between "do nothing" and "militarily invade Russia," right?

[Combatbutler]

Try to be consistent. Something likely WILL be done, but that doesn't mean a fucking world war.

It wouldn't be a world war, Russia has like two to three nations willing to fight for them and none of them are a heavyweight.

[YUPPIE]

Something likely WILL be done, but that doesn't mean a fucking world war.

well, if we're being nice or want to be optimistic, a no-fly zone/anti-air deterrent is going to be enforced over Ukraine. That's something that hasn't been provided to them out of fear of incurring Russia's wrath before.

But I still think that's too optimistic.

[Airlick]

I don't know man... Warsaw uprising was brutal. Give Poles a few good weapons and a good cause and watch what happens... I'd put my money on Poland right now. There's like 80 years of anger in a very tiny pressure kettle and Russia just tapped the release valve for funsies...

No, there isn't. Where did you get that from? It's pretty much common sense for anyone, not just Polish people, to hate Putin and Russian elites and its government. Poland has broken its ties to Russia decades ago and that's it, noone has been seething and waiting to stick it to Russians since. Common sense, not hatred and lust for revenge was the reason why Poland has been warning the West about Russia for a LONG time now. I can guarantee you not a single sane person in Poland is going to scream war because of 2 stray rockets.

[Edge-]

But I still think that's too soft.

When are you signing up to join the NATO armed forces and take the fight directly to Russia, YUPPIE? You don't even need to join NATO, you can volunteer and join the Ukrainian armed forces if they'd take you.

[Saradain]

It wouldn't be a world war, Russia has like two to three nations willing to fight for them and none of them are a heavyweight.

If you would check Yuppie's posting history for the last years, you'd probably see that he dreams of a war that would result in his own death, to be "swept away" as he put it.

I only use the wording "world war" because thats what we've been seeing on the internet all the time.

"If we don't let Russia genocide everyone, we cause world war - if we dare to attack Russia, we escalate the war and end up in WW3"

That kind of bullshit.

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well, if we're being nice or want to be optimistic, a no-fly zone/anti-air deterrent is going to be enforced over Ukraine. That's something that hasn't been provided to them out of fear of incurring Russia's wrath before.

But I still think that's too optimistic.

Please. Just lol.

We already see Russia's wrath on Ukraine, we certainly are not under their mercy. Our constraint is why Russia still exists as a sovereign federation.

[Combatbutler]

If you would check Yuppie's posting history for the last years, you'd probably see that he dreams of a war that would result in his own death, to be "swept away" as he put it.

I only use the wording "world war" because thats what we've been seeing on the internet all the time.

"If we don't let Russia genocide everyone, we cause world war - if we dare to attack Russia, we escalate the war and end up in WW3"

That kind of bullshit.

I am well aware, just pointing out not to accidentally stooping to the level of that "poster".

[YUPPIE]

stop making this topic about me or how I feel and just consider the reality Russia has crossed the red line.

There are only two things that is going to happen, nothing more and nothing less other than grasping for straws:

1) NATO attacks

2) NATO does nothing

What is more likely?

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When are you signing up to join the NATO armed forces and take the fight directly to Russia, YUPPIE? You don't even need to join NATO, you can volunteer and join the Ukrainian armed forces if they'd take you.

depending on their response, this is prob it for me

[enigma77]

Time for no fly zone and the complete, relentless bombing of Russians by Nato inside Ukraine.

It's time to wrap this up.


also LOL @ the people who are concerned about WW3, it's the whole world vs Russia and its what 3 irrelevant allies? NOOOOOKS are still suicide for Russia, in case you've forgotten

time to slaughter the beasts, no more holding back

[Saradain]

stop making this topic about me or how I feel and just consider the reality Russia has crossed the red line.

There are only two things that is going to happen, nothing more and nothing less other than grasping for straws:

1) NATO attacks

2) NATO does nothing

What is it?

YOU are the one who keeps constantly bringing the not-so-subtle NOOKS agenda to this thread.

You are not very well informed in this topic if you think the only options are 2 extremes.

[YUPPIE]

I mean, it is two extremes because NATO is a defensive alliance that exists for this moment.

If it doesn't do anything, it means it just lost all credibility. It doesn't have to just be burning Russia to the ground immediately response, but they must respond with *some* show of force now.