Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

What do you propose then?

Russia decided to just attack a NATO country for funsies?

sending a message. So yeah, point #2 of testing their patience.

As for why all of a sudden, I reckon Russia is getting real fed up of Western support by now. They have said over and over "stop giving Ukraine shit" and people have just ignored them.

[Vakna]

What do you propose then?

Russia decided to just attack a NATO country for funsies?

Testing NATO patience and integrity?

Or if we wanna be daring, a desperate, rogue russian military personnel trying to escalate the war in a plea for help, as in - please end the russian imperialist war effort so Russia can become free one day?

The only reasonable explanation I can see is human error. But like I said in a previous post, human error is not something you can just handwave away as a tragic accident like a hardware malfunction is.

[Saradain]

The only reasonable explanation I can see is human error. But like I said in a previous post, human error is not something you can just handwave away as a tragic accident like a hardware malfunction is.

If only time would flow faster, I want to see the reaction to this incident so badly. Not expecting a full military intervention at all, but part of me has the doubt that the collective West would put an end to the war for once and for all.

sending a message. So yeah, point #2 of testing their patience.

As for why all of a sudden, I reckon Russia is getting real fed up of Western support by now. They have said over and over "stop giving Ukraine shit" and people have just ignored them.

And the West is gonna keep ignoring Russia because they can't do shit about the aid. And you've been proven and told time after time that Russia set their red lines million times before, and nothing happened when they were crossed. Russia will either accept it, or cry and accept it. Anything else that directly targets the non-participant NATO or other Western nations is a suicide pact.

[Corvus]

Ukrainian foreign minister has reportedly said that claims it was a Ukrainian missile are russian conspiracy theories.

[YUPPIE]

time after time that Russia set their red lines million times before, and nothing happened when they were crossed.

see...the reason this is headline news today is there's a difference between "STOP GIVING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE OR ELSE..." and motherfucking attacking a NATO member and killing two people

[Saradain]

see...the reason this is headline news today is there's a difference between "STOP GIVING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE OR ELSE..." and motherfucking attacking a NATO member and killing two people

Do you have concrete evidence of that, or you assuming from just news headlines?

I know Russia is a meme, but starting a war against NATO by killing 2 farmers instead of bombing Warsaw with all the central goverment locations sounds like pretty fucking amazing Darth Putin twitter-level meme.

[Shadowferal]

Poland holds emergency security meeting after reports of fatal explosion, as Russian missiles bombard nearby Ukraine

[Belize]

sending a message. So yeah, point #2 of testing their patience.

As for why all of a sudden, I reckon Russia is getting real fed up of Western support by now. They have said over and over "stop giving Ukraine shit" and people have just ignored them.

What happened to stopping giving input? Read the room homie.

[Iphie]

The only reasonable explanation I can see is human error. But like I said in a previous post, human error is not something you can just handwave away as a tragic accident like a hardware malfunction is.

I mean if the coordinates have been manually fed it's possible, but I don't think that's the case.

[YUPPIE]

Do you have concrete evidence of that.

you dont really believe russia's "we didnt do it it was the ukrainians!" schtick do you

[ghotihook]

I mean if the coordinates have been manually fed it's possible, but I don't think that's the case.

i would be more surprised if the coordinates were automated. Knowing the tech Russia is using!

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you dont really believe russia's "we didnt do it it was the ukrainians!" schtick do you

No adult does.

[Saradain]

you dont really believe russia's "we didnt do it it was the ukrainians!" schtick do you

No, I do not. A stray missile given Russia's poor capability of common stuff like maintenance of their armaments is common knowledge by now. Or them running out of precise rockets a while ago. A stray, inaccurate rocket does not a declaration of war make.

We'll have this "attack on NATO" discussion again once investigation is complete and PROVED that Russia purposefully targeted Poland, for some reason, to commit suicide as a nation, just to kill 2 farmers.

Until then, you or me do not have evidence that it was a declaration of war from Russia (which did not declare a war vs Ukraine to this very day).

[LeGin v3]

Do you have concrete evidence of that, or you assuming from just news headlines?

I know Russia is a meme, but starting a war against NATO by killing 2 farmers instead of bombing Warsaw with all the central goverment locations sounds like pretty fucking amazing Darth Putin twitter-level meme.

Quit the apologism.

Were it not for Putins’s psychopathic behaviour there would be no threat of war.

I’ll be interested to see how NATO wriggles out of implementing the red lines it insists it members sign up to.

[Saradain]

Quit the apologism.

Were it not for Putins’s psychopathic behaviour there would be no threat of war.

I’ll be interested to see how NATO wriggles out of implementing the red lines it insists it members sign up to.

What apologism? You can very well check my post history...

I haven't seen you around in this thread posting anything, so I assume you have not perhaps actively read this for the past 6+ months.

You see, we have interesting posters in this thread. Some are probably paid russian agents, some are just vatniks or otherwise easily impressed by Kremlin "news". Some dream of a world war to die with the rest of the planet.

I, most definitely know very well Russia and Russia alone is to blame for this war. I simply try to not go sensational "OMG WORLD WAR 3 INCOMING!!" level of posting, when Russian tin can rockets land on wrong side of a border against 2 farmers.

I assure you I really enjoy seeing clips of russian orcs burning alive in a great ball of fire when invading & genociding a population they decided not to deserve an existence.

[DarkTZeratul]

you dont really believe russia's "we didnt do it it was the ukrainians!" schtick do you

Of course not. But, once again, you are making the mistake of seeing everything as a binary: either Ukraine did it, or Russia intentionally blew up a farm. The reality is more likely that Russia shot a missile at Ukraine and missed.

[Spectral]

I’ll be interested to see how NATO wriggles out of implementing the red lines it insists it members sign up to.

Here's the text of Article 5:

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

There is no red line. There is no precommitment to total war at the slightest provocation. There is a commitment to treating this with the same seriousness that other members would treat two of their own civilians being killed, which should not include jumping to immediate heavy escalation.

[YUPPIE]

even if this was an accident, who would believe Russia? And if it was an accident, as a minister pointed out today, FUCKING APOLOGIZE because all they've done is deflect.

[Shadowferal]

The ball is in Poland's court. That country will be more directly affected. If they want more American soldiers and apparatus on their soil...

[Corvus]

The Polish foreign ministry is saying it was a russian made missile and has summoned the russian ambassador.

[YUPPIE]

The Polish foreign ministry is saying it was a russian made missile and has summoned the russian ambassador.

apparently, the ambassador stormed out quickly saying it was Ukraine's fault.

Shit has gotten real now, though. I can't wait for NATO's official statement on the matter.