Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

The Polish foreign ministry is saying it was a russian made missile and has summoned the russian ambassador.

[YUPPIE]

The Polish foreign ministry is saying it was a russian made missile and has summoned the russian ambassador.

apparently, the ambassador stormed out quickly saying it was Ukraine's fault.

Shit has gotten real now, though. I can't wait for NATO's official statement on the matter.

[Corvus]

apparently, the ambassador stormed out quickly saying it was Ukraine's fault.

Shit has gotten real now, though. I can't wait for NATO's official statement on the matter.

They said russian-made, not russian-fired. Some interesting wiggle room there.

It'll be article 4, not article 5. No nukes today sorry.

[Iphie]

They said russian-made, not russian-fired. Some interesting wiggle room there.

It'll be article 4, not article 5. No nukes today sorry.

I mean with that wiggle room you could even blame Belarus. But I think art. 4 is best in this case, since it's not a clear and unambiguous attack.

[Corvus]

The Polish President has said that there is no conclusive evidence yet as to who is responsible, while the PM is calling for calm, and to exercise restraint and caution, though they have increased the readiness of their forces, particularly those monitoring airspace.

So the Poles are waiting for all the facts and not jumping the gun.

Meanwhile world leaders are gathering for an 'emergency roundtable.' If it is russia, doing it during the G20 meeting is very bad timing. Unless that was the point.

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Yikes, if this is true then some russian operator stuffed up big time entering co-ordinates, and mixed up Kyiv and Lviv co-ordinates.



The site hit in Poland corresponds with the latitude of Kyiv and the longitude of Lviv.

Kyiv/Coordinates 50.4501° N, 30.5234°E

Lviv/Coordinates 49.842957 ° N, 24.031111° E

target 50.4501° N 24.031111° E

[Iphie]

The Polish President has said that there is no conclusive evidence yet as to who is responsible, while the PM is calling for calm, and to exercise restraint and caution, though they have increased the readiness of their forces, particularly those monitoring airspace.

So the Poles are waiting for all the facts and not jumping the gun.

Meanwhile world leaders are gathering for an 'emergency roundtable.' If it is russia, doing it during the G20 meeting is very bad timing. Unless that was the point.

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Yikes, if this is true then some russian operator stuffed up big time entering co-ordinates, and mixed up Kyiv and Lviv co-ordinates.



The site hit in Poland corresponds with the latitude of Kyiv and the longitude of Lviv.

That's...not that implausible...I mean the names are similar. (Though I guess not in russian)

[Edge-]

That's...not that implausible...I mean the names are similar. (Though I guess not in russian)

Assuming whoever was entering coordinates was using a standard keyboard like the rest of us and all...the K and the L are right next to each other. But I don't think you punch in the city you want to hit, or that you're doing a web search for lat/long coordinates before entering those in.

Still, honestly the most "realistic" explanation I've seen so far.

[Iphie]

Assuming whoever was entering coordinates was using a standard keyboard like the rest of us and all...the K and the L are right next to each other. But I don't think you punch in the city you want to hit, or that you're doing a web search for lat/long coordinates before entering those in.

Still, honestly the most "realistic" explanation I've seen so far.

Sure, but I don't think the Cyrillic keyboards work the same way. Either way, this is a collosal mix up and, as you say, somehow realistic.

[YUPPIE]

NATO to hold an important meeting tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be the day.

What I think is going to happen first and foremost: NATO probably won’t bomb Moscow into paste, nor will they kowtow to Russia by refusing to take action. On the other hand, I think they will set up air defense so no missiles from Russia fly over Ukraine again.

Now when that happens, and Russia inevitably says “WAR!” I hope in that moment NATO responds accordingly.

[Corvus]

Biden is saying that it looks like the missile wasn't fired from within Russia, but they do know its trajectory. Still leaves a lot of places it has could have come from, such as Belarus, or Ukraine.

[Kallisto]

Biden is saying that it looks like the missile wasn't fired from within Russia, but they do know its trajectory. Still leaves a lot of places it has could have come from, such as Belarus, or Ukraine.

If it is an S300 as some have tried to say, then there are very few places from Belarus it could have come from due to the range of the missile itself. Of course, that's an IF.

[PACOX]

They said russian-made, not russian-fired. Some interesting wiggle room there.

It'll be article 4, not article 5. No nukes today sorry.

Addon to this.

American and Russian (Soviet) arms have been killing the opposition for decades. Both sides open sell arms to adversaries of their opponent. Ukraine is using American bombs to kill Russians right now.


Just because something was made in a particular area mean its an act of war from that area.


Part of this is the result of arming a bunch of militia on both sides. They are going to use those weapons in ways they see regardless of the 'rules of war' established by both sides.

[YUPPIE]

one of the things I'll never get is how people laugh at Russia's incompetence in Ukraine and them getting their asses kicked, but at the same time think them directly squaring off against NATO is going to have "world ending" repercussions. Like, logically, shouldn't that metaphorically be a guy with a rusted knife trying to take on a space marine with a plasma rifle?

[alach]

Ya'll should take it easy on YUPPIE, I get you need a villian since most the pro-trump, pro-kremlin posters have buggered off, but what he says isn't nearly as insane as some of what you accuse of him of - plus I am pretty sure we are generally on the same side here.

I really thought these missiles hitting Poland would be Putins "oh shit!" moment, and they would be furiously making apologetic phone calls and press releases admitting it was a blunder - but just like the airliner they go the other way accusing the west of escalation. Then Lavrov has the balls to call anyone who says otherwise russaphobes.

I mean who do these guys think they are fooling at this point?

[DarkAmbient]

If it wasn't fired from Russia as Biden suggests then does that also mean it wasn't fired by Russia? Is he implying it could have come from Belarus or even Ukraine in an air defence failure?

[YUPPIE]

If it wasn't fired from Russia as Biden suggests then does that also mean it wasn't fired by Russia? Is he implying it could have come from Belarus or even Ukraine in an air defence failure?

I'd never trust Joe Biden on any matters in regards to Ukraine-Russia. Remember this is the guy who said he is always looking to give Putin an exit, and that one of the things he dreads most is a cornered Russia.

He doesn't want to see Russia reformed. He just wants to avoid conflict altogether, even if that means being vague or obstructive with wordplay.

[Makabreska]

Man, Yuppie agitated af today. His fetish is being fed strongly.

[Corvus]

If it wasn't fired from Russia as Biden suggests then does that also mean it wasn't fired by Russia? Is he implying it could have come from Belarus or even Ukraine in an air defence failure?

Fired from does not rule out fired by. It could have been a sea launch, or from Belarus. And, while unlikely, the possibility of a Ukrainian misfire can't be ruled out. If it had been, I'm sure they would have admitted to it by now. All he was saying it was that it wasn't fired from Russia territory.

[Makabreska]

Well shit. Associated Press says that preliminary findings suggest rocket was fired by Ukrainians as a part of anti-air defence.

[Iphie]

Well shit. Associated Press says that preliminary findings suggest rocket was fired by Ukrainians as a part of anti-air defence.

Ugh...I mean I can see it happening and then the Ukrainians blaming the russians but man would that be bad PR.