Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

also, given there's yet to be a formal response from NATO, US, etc given it's early in the day, I'm assuming this concern is going to dominate the rest of the day. Zelenksy has to apologize, at least.

And Zelensky, or other ukrainian officials surely will.

They just will not pretend to be war criminals because of this, like you present them as. Consensus already is that the impact site has hints of russian & ukrainian (but russian-made) rockets colliding, so as you can clearly see, if Russia didn't invade, Ukraine wouldn't have to had used shit quality stuff to defend itself.

There will not be article 5 invoked here, and never was. Only you wanted us to think it was a close call here. For whatever motive.

[Levelfive]

also, given there's yet to be a formal response from NATO, US, etc given it's early in the day, I'm assuming this concern is going to dominate the rest of the day. Zelenksy has to apologize, at least.

What does Putin have to do?

[YUPPIE]

also, as the other poster pointed out: apart from the initial denial, Ukraine looks really really bad now in terms of vulturism-looking opportunistic. Because when the missiles hit, one of their first responses was they should receive better anti-air capabilities/support so this doesn't happen again

[Saradain]

also, as the other poster pointed out: apart from the initial denial, Ukraine looks really really bad now in terms of vulturism-looking opportunistic. Because when the missiles hit, one of their first responses was they should receive better anti-air capabilities/support so this doesn't happen again

You posted the solution yourself. If Ukraine had better quality weapons aid, they could have used the modern anti-air defense system to ensure the russian rocket salvos would be destroyed, and thus not stray so, so far from the target area.

Ukraine isn't looking any worse. Still. For 100th time.

[Lahis]

they killed two innocents, man. This isn't just collateral damage akin to traffic dispute where everyone was fine afterward. That's why I'm doubling down on this.

Two innocents died in Poland because Russia was trying to kill thousands of innocents in Ukraine.

It is unfortunate that Poland got hit, but this is in no shape anyone else's but Russia's fault.

[Elegiac]

Ukraine looks really really bad now

No, it doesn't. Stop being a clown.

[YUPPIE]

and said he would actively support deploying air defences on the Polish border with Ukraine, as well as the rest of Nato's eastern flank.

so they're not really holding them accountable for much, and putting all blame on Russia

[Slirith]

Really wish people would just ignore Yuppie and not reply to it's nonsense.

[Veggie50]

so they're not really holding them accountable for much, and putting all blame on Russia

Yep. #10char

[Flarelaine]

I'm sure Poland will accept Ukraine killing some more Russians as an apology.

[Okacz]

also, as the other poster pointed out: apart from the initial denial, Ukraine looks really really bad now in terms of vulturism-looking opportunistic. Because when the missiles hit, one of their first responses was they should receive better anti-air capabilities/support so this doesn't happen again

Ukraine was bombarded for a whole day yesterday, probably at least 200 missile strikes in total, counting the ones that were shot down. Their infrastructure even in the largest cities is barely holding together, or down entirely. If among the attempts to shoot down terrorists missiles one of the rockets landed in Poland, it's a tragedy, yes, but at the same time an accident caused by the aggressor. And by all means Zełensky might not have have known what happened, you know, being kind of busy with his whole country being showered by rockets.

Of course it's yet to see how they handle it, but calling it vulturism at this point does make you look like a russian shill of a major caliber. And as kremlin will try to spin it more and more against Ukraine (to attempt to cause rift between Poland and Ukraine), if you keep supporting those attempts, you're going to look like a complete piece of shit.

[Orange Joe]

It's like the other person said, he started this debacle off by trying to blame Russia for lying, which almost led to NATO vs Russia for real. He better grovel and apologize soon.

If you think groveling is too strong here, TWO INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED FOR NO REASON.

like you actually care........

[Cynical Asshole]

so they're not really holding them accountable for much, and putting all blame on Russia

You do realize it's that if innocent bystanders die in a confrontation between the police and criminals, the blame is on the criminals, right?

It's even the law in America. If you rob a bank and the police catch you inside the bank and a shootout begins, if the police accidentally hit a bystander, it's YOU who gets blamed, and murder is added it to your charges even if you didn't actually kill anybody.

[Devonitar]

Really wish people would just ignore Yuppie and not reply to it's nonsense.

Personally I'd love to ignore Mr. "Are people afraid of my avatar yet?", but then whole this thread disappears from the list. Lately, however, extra bother with bookmarks does seem more appealing than losing brain cells every time I scroll through his pukeposts.

[Iphie]

Poland may forgo article 4, this time

De-escalation, instrument remains available.

[YUPPIE]

there's no way I can be described as a Russian apologist considering how much I want NATO to take action and have advocated for Putin's death. Like yesterday I was so fucking up in arms over the possibility Russia made the move, but woke up to find out it's a nuanced situation surprisingly considering Russia's lack of restraint/ethics.

I just want Ukraine to never compromise their victim/good guy image after most of the the world has given them so much. Any time they're vague or not truthful - like with the aforementioned car bombing - is when they compromise said image.

[Saradain]

there's no way I can be described as a Russian apologist considering how much I want NATO to take action and have advocated for Putin's death. Like yesterday I was so fucking up in arms over the possibility, but woke up to find out it's a nuanced situation surprisingly considering Russia's lack of restraint/ethics.

I just want Ukraine to never compromise their victim/good guy image after most of the the world has given them so much. Any time they're vague or not truthful - like with the aforementioned car bombing - is when they compromise said image.

How stupid you think we are? You literally elevate Putin to godhood.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to change. Do not over-dramatize events, expecting a nuclear war over an accident. There's a reason NATO negotiates, investigates calmly. It very much is to display the integrity of the defensive pact. You don't start a war in real life the same way you gank a WoW player in world pvp the moment you see them.

That is why you sound like a russian apologist, an accident somehow, to you, is Ukraine trying to escalate the war when it has no reasons to risk themselves and the international support they get. Ukraine does not need Russia to be wiped out outside of Ukraine. Ukraine certainly would not follow withdrawing russian troops over the border.

Calm the fuck down, let the actual experts (not MMO-C posters) investigate a sudden change in events, let them report the results. Or at very least make sure its labeled as a speculation by yourself if you wish to discuss an event before final results arrive.

[Fugus]

like you actually care........

Love how he went straight to hurting Ukraine instead of the more logical goal of putting air defenses on their border to defend against this or, by following his own logic, that if Russia was involved that it would require a nato counter offensive. But nope, straight to hurting Ukraine in a way that helps Russia.

[YUPPIE]

Poland may forgo article 4, this time

De-escalation, instrument remains available.

so it's over (for now), just like that.

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expecting a nuclear war over an accident.

It's been a long ass time since I mentioned or even considered nukes. Do you think NATO squaring off against Russia is going to escalate to that so easily? I don't think so after Jinping's remark.

[Azadina]

if this was ukraine that caused it, they need to end all international support for deception and deception of this scale

Ticket offer to Donbass is still valid. Now that you said that, it's never been as valid as now. Take it komrade.