Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

So who got deleted?

[MCMLXXXII]

Someone with about 60 posts in this thread.

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In other Russian/Ukrainian related news:
3 out of 4 suspects responsible for shooting down MH 17 have been found guilty.
If it was the other way; in Russia 7 out of 4 suspects have been found guilty, the 8th one slipped on his bathroom floor and unfortunately fell to his dead through his 31st floor apartment window.

[Corvus]

In just the months of September and October, 23,000 prisoners disappeared from russia's prisons. Most of those will now be dead from the Wagner SS human wave tactics.

[fwc577]

I just hold the notion if Japan could be redeemed, Russia can still be redeemed. But they need to be occupied for that to happen. Considering claims of imperialism unto others if that happens, who knows when it will be

They just need to get the Fat Man and Little Boy USA S.P.E.C.I.A.L.S. and they can start on their path to redemption! /s

[Vakna]

If NATO/US gets tired of funding the fight then Ukraine will have to go to the negotiation tables. Unfortunately for Ukraine their survival depends on how much others are willing to back them and they can only blow off pressure to negotiate for so long. I don't think they will be pressured soon but needle is moving in that direction. US support isn't going to dry up but it's not going to come as quickly, either?

Better to do it before good will support dries up instead of having to dealing with a Russia that knows Ukraine's aid has been cut.

Any negotiations that infringes on Ukrainian territory is unacceptable, both Ukraine and the West have already committed to this and if it is ever backed down on then it just gives Russia more power because they are then justified in their criminal land grabs, who knows what country is next? Once Russia concedes it's claims and withdraws Russian troops from occupied land, then negotiations can begin.

Ukraine is absolutely open to negotiating, it's only Russia that is holding talks back.

[Veggie50]

USA getting tired of funding this fight? The USA is making the deal of the century here. For a few billion dollars they dismantle Russia, the voters love “America stronk” AND they don’t get the negative press of american soldiers dying.

[Makabreska]

USA getting tired of funding this fight? The USA is making the deal of the century here. For a few billion dollars they dismantle Russia, the voters love “America stronk” AND they don’t get the negative press of american soldiers dying.

Yup, pretty much. They can fuck up Russia and then focus entirely on China, their real rival.

[Rasulis]

USA getting tired of funding this fight? The USA is making the deal of the century here. For a few billion dollars they dismantle Russia, the voters love “America stronk” AND they don’t get the negative press of american soldiers dying.

Don't forget the great advertisement for US weapon manufacturers. Can't beat this type of headline "16 HIMARS launchers turned the tide of war."

Ukraine War Boosts HIMARS Sales; Lockheed Martin Bags Another Export Order For ‘Game Changing’ MLRS

[Xyonai]

Also this is the first conflict in modern memory that's been so markedly black and white: Aggressive anti-Democratic Imperialists attempt unprovoked wholesale slaughter and take-over of their neighboring country for incredibly ill defined reasons. And everything else Russia's been doing in Ukraine's been so horribly fucked up that it's been incredibly easy to sway a lot of public perceptions (in the west at least) towards Ukraine or at least against Russia. Like this has been one of the easiest-to-sell conflicts since the invasion of Afghanistan post 9/11.

And the best counter to that are some dumbass Tankies hand wringing about Azov while pretending Wagner doesn't exist.

[Iphie]

Don't forget the great advertisement for US weapon manufacturers. Can't beat this type of headline "16 HIMARS launchers turned the tide of war."

Ukraine War Boosts HIMARS Sales; Lockheed Martin Bags Another Export Order For ‘Game Changing’ MLRS

And these are the "short" range rockets, other countries can order the longer ranged rockets without the need for restraint.

[Veggie50]

Also this is the first conflict in modern memory that's been so markedly black and white: Aggressive anti-Democratic Imperialists attempt unprovoked wholesale slaughter and take-over of their neighboring country for incredibly ill defined reasons. And everything else Russia's been doing in Ukraine's been so horribly fucked up that it's been incredibly easy to sway a lot of public perceptions (in the west at least) towards Ukraine or at least against Russia. Like this has been one of the easiest-to-sell conflicts since the invasion of Afghanistan post 9/11.

And the best counter to that are some dumbass Tankies hand wringing about Azov while pretending Wagner doesn't exist.

I wouldn’t put the invasion of afghanistan in the same category of “easy sell” wars though… there was quite some controversy there.

[Iphie]

There seems to be chatter on russian telegram about russia going to give up ZNPP:

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/statu...28632551084032

Anyone has anything on that? Given the reports of russia fortifying Crimea and west of Mariupol it is not entirely unthinkable that russia might give up on Kherson and if they do then the ZNPP is impossible to hold anyway.

[zealo]

Russian forces were suffering from 'electronic fratricide' within days of attacking Ukraine, a new report says

In the first days of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Russian jamming disrupted Ukraine's air-defense radars and communications links. The problem for Russian forces is that their electronic warfare also jammed their own communications.

This "electronic fratricide" became so acute that Russian troops had to stop disrupting Ukrainian communications, according to a study by the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank.

By the end of the first week of the invasion, Russian ground forces being unable to effectively communicate "became a greater threat to the Russian operation than Ukrainian [surface-to-air missile] systems, so their electronic warfare assets began to greatly scale back their operations after the first two days," the RUSI report says.

Generally, Russian electronic-warfare systems "have actually proven extremely effective," Nick Reynolds, a coauthor of the RUSI study, told Insider, and Russia's initial onslaught in Ukraine seemed to bear out the Pentagon's fears.

"During the first week of the invasion, Russian electronic warfare using jamming equipment and E-96M aerial decoys were highly effective in disrupting" Ukraine's ground-based air-defense systems, the RUSI report says.

Russian jamming severely disrupted Ukrainian S-300 and SA-11 surface-to-air-missile batteries north of Kyiv. Russia also launched extensive ballistic- and cruise-missile strikes on Ukraine's long-range radars and anti-aircraft batteries.

The combined effect was Ukraine's ground-based air defenses were hit so hard that its badly outnumbered fleet of MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters had to take primary responsibility for protecting the country's skies.

But as Russia's advance began to bog down, Russian troops discovered that they had "no coherent communications plan," according to the RUSI report.

Russian units lacked trained radio operators and encryption keys to decipher coded communications. Some radios had cheap Chinese-made components that left them vulnerable to Ukrainian jamming. Russian mobile air-defense units — which were supposed to keep up with the armored columns — were also hampered by poor communications.

The result was that Russia's electronic offensive boomeranged.

[Fuiking]

Russian forces were suffering from 'electronic fratricide' within days of attacking Ukraine, a new report says

lmao.. hahaha what the hell? Suffering from success right there haha

[Corvus]

Looks a bit cold in Ukraine.

[Edge-]

Looks a bit cold in Ukraine.

This is pretty suspect, there's no house music playing.

[Corvus]

This is pretty suspect, there's no house music playing.

Musk probably broke sound on twitter.

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Turkey has reportedly provided Ukraine with its version of HIMARS, the ROKETSAN. The difference is that, unlike the US, they have provided them with long range rockets, the TRLG 230, that can hit up to 150km away. And not only are they GPS guided but can also be laser guided, so if a drone is in the vicinity, they can laser paint the target.

[enigma77]

Musk probably broke sound on twitter.

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Turkey has reportedly provided Ukraine with its version of HIMARS, the ROKETSAN. The difference is that, unlike the US, they have provided them with long range rockets, the TRLG 230, that can hit up to 150km away. And not only are they GPS guided but can also be laser guided, so if a drone is in the vicinity, they can laser paint the target.

If true, shame on Biden the coward

and yay for Turkey

[Corvus]

If true, shame on Biden the coward

and yay for Turkey

The US seems concerned that the ATACMS, which has a 300km range (at least officially), might be used to strike targets well inside Russia and they've baulked at suppling them for that reason.

The Turkish one is only 150km, which is shorter but still longer than regular HIMARs rockets (which has a 92km range officially). But Erdogan seems quite happy to humiliate putin.

[enigma77]

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...&nav_id=114904

Israel has issued an ultimatum to Russia, if Moscow does not stop buying Iranian weapons, be it drones or missiles, Jerusalem will seriously consider supplying Kyiv with high-precision ballistic missiles. Israeli media also wrote about this ultimatum, and it was widely discussed on the Israeli TV channel Kan-11.