Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

Nazi Russia is now officially a terrorist state for European Union. Won't change much and does not stop civilian genocide but warms my heart nonetheless.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...2-0487_EN.html

USA for the record wanted this to happen already in July. And NATO is recommending for its member states to do the same.

[Azadina]

Nazi Russia is now officially a terrorist state for European Union. Won't change much and does not stop civilian genocide but warms my heart nonetheless.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...2-0487_EN.html

USA for the record wanted this to happen already in July. And NATO is recommending for its member states to do the same.

Warms my heart too. Finally people recognize RuZZia for what it really is.

Next step should be giving RuZZkies outside of RuZZia a list of choices:

1. Renounce citizenship of terrorist nation, adopting a citizenship in a country they happen to reside in.
2. Leave voluntarily, and not return while supporting member of a terrorist nation.
3. Refuse 1 and 2; get arrested and forcibly deported.
4. Refuse 1 and 2, resist option 3; get shot as terrorist state combatant.

[Saradain]

Warms my heart too. Finally people recognize RuZZia for what it really is.

Next step should be giving RuZZkies outside of RuZZia a list of choices:

1. Renounce citizenship of terrorist nation, adopting a citizenship in a country they happen to reside in.
2. Leave voluntarily, and not return while supporting member of a terrorist nation.
3. Refuse 1 and 2; get arrested and forcibly deported.
4. Refuse 1 and 2, resist option 3; get shot as terrorist state combatant.

Step 1 has a problem. Requirements of non-RuZZia nations.

If my own wife can't get a citizenship of Finland in less time than 5 years of residence (with residence permit), how would we give RuZZian citizens a privilege of skipping the rules (and costs related to said applications)? Last thing I want is to give advantages to them. A cowardly russian still supporting the nazi Russia even after renouncing the said state, but safely abroad from mobilizations is a problem in the long run.

Step 2 can be done, auto-decline any asylum applications from RuZZia and give the standard 5 year Schengen ban (or for non-Schengen nations, an equivalent restriction).

Step 3 happens naturally if the said russians are already in the country for whatever reason, and not at the border for easy removal. I see the great irony of denazification when such terrorists and collaborators would be hunted Europe-wide for the next 100 years, just like nazis of old are, globally.

Step 4 varies entirely per country. Finnish police in general very very rarely use gun violence to handle shit, while some other nations have more trigger-happy solutions. Regardless, Step 2 can be repeated here. Auto-declined russians become persona non gratas, told to leave the country or be hunted as illegals to be deported.

[Azadina]

Step 1 has a problem. Requirements of non-RuZZia nations.

If my own wife can't get a citizenship of Finland in less time than 5 years of residence (with residence permit), how would we give RuZZian citizens a privilege of skipping the rules (and costs related to said applications)? Last thing I want is to give advantages to them. A cowardly russian still supporting the nazi Russia even after renouncing the said state, but safely abroad from mobilizations is a problem in the long run.

Step 2 can be done, auto-decline any asylum applications from RuZZia and give the standard 5 year Schengen ban (or for non-Schengen nations, an equivalent restriction).

Step 3 happens naturally if the said russians are already in the country for whatever reason, and not at the border for easy removal. I see the great irony of denazification when such terrorists and collaborators would be hunted Europe-wide for the next 100 years, just like nazis of old are, globally.

Step 4 varies entirely per country. Finnish police in general very very rarely use gun violence to handle shit, while some other nations have more trigger-happy solutions. Regardless, Step 2 can be repeated here. Auto-declined russians become persona non gratas, told to leave the country or be hunted as illegals to be deported.

Step 1 is more aimed at anyone already having lived outside of RuZZia, rather than any mobilization dodgers. Details to be worked out for sure. Maybe a lesser temporary version of citizenship for X amount of years, after which they can apply for full one. Anyone not having lived abroad previously, skip to parts 2 and 3.

Well yeah, any of the first 3 steps can be worked out before step 4. It's mostly there for closing any loopholes, as well as "fuck around and find out".

[Gabriel]

Step 1 has a problem. Requirements of non-RuZZia nations.

If my own wife can't get a citizenship of Finland in less time than 5 years of residence (with residence permit), how would we give RuZZian citizens a privilege of skipping the rules (and costs related to said applications)? Last thing I want is to give advantages to them. A cowardly russian still supporting the nazi Russia even after renouncing the said state, but safely abroad from mobilizations is a problem in the long run.

Step 2 can be done, auto-decline any asylum applications from RuZZia and give the standard 5 year Schengen ban (or for non-Schengen nations, an equivalent restriction).

Step 3 happens naturally if the said russians are already in the country for whatever reason, and not at the border for easy removal. I see the great irony of denazification when such terrorists and collaborators would be hunted Europe-wide for the next 100 years, just like nazis of old are, globally.

Step 4 varies entirely per country. Finnish police in general very very rarely use gun violence to handle shit, while some other nations have more trigger-happy solutions. Regardless, Step 2 can be repeated here. Auto-declined russians become persona non gratas, told to leave the country or be hunted as illegals to be deported.

I'd just apply it for double citizenships, and not go for people with visas or residency permits.

[The Stormbringer]

Don't assume every Russian citizen running from Russia supports the regime. Yes, a lot of them only ran away because they feared for being conscripted, but there were countless Russians who left way before conscription was even being whispered about. There are innocent Russians suffering too, no need to punish them by throwing them back to an authoritarian state.

[Gabriel]

Don't assume every Russian citizen running from Russia supports the regime. Yes, a lot of them only ran away because they feared for being conscripted, but there were countless Russians who left way before conscription was even being whispered about. There are innocent Russians suffering too, no need to punish them by throwing them back to an authoritarian state.

If they have a dual citizenship with some other country, they can just live there after giving up their russian passport.

[Saradain]

Russia seems to be planning a false flag attack...on Russia.

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-november-22

The Kremlin appears to be setting information conditions for a false-flag attack in Belgorod Oblast, Russia, likely in an effort to regain public support for the war in Ukraine.

If you don't join Nazi Russia's genocide, you're gonna BE genocided.

[Iphie]

Russia seems to be planning a false flag attack...on Russia.

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-november-22



If you don't join Nazi Russia's genocide, you're gonna BE genocided.

Standard putte playbook. Chechens anyone?

[Saradain]

Standard putte playbook. Chechens anyone?

It is quite amusing when our resident Russia fans ignore historical facts how their own country was sabotaged or plainly invaded in the past by Nazi Russia, acting like Russia is a saviour.

Those who know, know - as we finns (loosely translated) say.

Right, in addition to Nazi Russia once again bombarding Ukraine's civilian (and only civilian) targets, they also managed to cause massive electricity shortages in Moldova.

Reuters sans paywall

Think on top of that, they also had a pro-Kremlin hacker group cyberattack European Union after Nazi Russia was declared a terrorist state.

What a bastion of civilization.

[Kaleredar]

It is quite amusing when our resident Russia fans ignore historical facts how their own country was sabotaged or plainly invaded in the past by Nazi Russia, acting like Russia is a saviour.

Those who know, know - as we finns (loosely translated) say.

Right, in addition to Nazi Russia once again bombarding Ukraine's civilian (and only civilian) targets, they also managed to cause massive electricity shortages in Moldova.

Reuters sans paywall

Think on top of that, they also had a pro-Kremlin hacker group cyberattack European Union after Nazi Russia was declared a terrorist state.

What a bastion of civilization.

Pro-russians only seem to care whether they're winning or not, or if the west is "losing."
@Shalcker and co. never cared about Russian war crimes, the murder of civilians, the kidnapping of children, or the mass graves. All they could ever manage in response was a half-hearted "prove it" and then move on to how India buying arms from them was going to keep all of Russia afloat while the western world crumbled, and that's when they even deigned to acknowledge that those things were happening. We had @Ihavewaffles wringing his hands and whining about Ukrainians bombing a bridge being used by the Russians as a military asset being an act of "terrorism" whilst ignoring Russians actively targeting Ukrainian civilian spaces like schools, playgrounds and apartment buildings, with no military value, for destruction.


Luckily, they aren't winning, either. You need to approach people these people at the level they deal on. You can't attempt to shame them; you can only remind them that they're supporting awful, awful people while still losing. That their futures are being sold short and their loved ones sent off to die for nothing.

[Xyonai]

Pro-russians only seem to care whether they're winning or not, or if the west is "losing."
@Shalcker and co. never cared about Russian war crimes, the murder of civilians, the kidnapping of children, or the mass graves. All they could ever manage in response was a half-hearted "prove it" and then move on to how India buying arms from them was going to keep all of Russia afloat while the western world crumbled, and that's when they even deigned to acknowledge that those things were happening. We had @Ihavewaffles wringing his hands and whining about Ukrainians bombing a bridge being used by the Russians as a military asset being an act of "terrorism" whilst ignoring Russians actively targeting Ukrainian civilian spaces like schools, playgrounds and apartment buildings, with no military value, for destruction.


Luckily, they aren't winning, either. You need to approach people these people at the level they deal on. You can't attempt to shame them; you can only remind them that they're supporting awful, awful people while still losing. That their futures are being sold short and their loved ones sent off to die for nothing.

Au Contaire, Waffles didn't ignore the bombings of civilian infrastructure after the bridge was blasted; he showed up the morning of the attacks to be smarmy about it with a 'Well good morning Ukraine~' then scuttled away. But you're right about everything else, they'll sit down and shut up until they can point to some flimsy 'victory' and act like we're all dumb dumb idiots for not seeing how Russia's just 'holding back' like their whole army will hit enrage when they hit One Hundred Thousand Casulties.

By the way I'm still waiting with baited breath for Russia's military counter attack against the eastern blitz that happened. And no, bombing babies to death doesn't count as a counter attack, that's just being a coward and a dipshit.

[zealo]

https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...an_parliament/

Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have sent a sledgehammer engraved with the Wagner logo in a violin case to the EU. Is this supposed to be an attempt at intimidation or what?

He's certainly taking no steps to prove them wrong about considering classifying Wagner as terrorists.

[Iphie]

https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...an_parliament/

Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have sent a sledgehammer engraved with the Wagner logo in a violin case to the EU. Is this supposed to be an attempt at intimidation or what?

He's certainly taking no steps to prove them wrong about considering classifying Wagner as terrorists.

Later in the thread it is said that the sledge wasn't sent to the EU but presented to a representative of the Duma.

Seems it's a bit unclear.

[zealo]

Later in the thread it is said that the sledge wasn't sent to the EU but presented to a representative of the Duma.

Seems it's a bit unclear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...Cxa?li=BBnb7Kz

[Azadina]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...Cxa?li=BBnb7Kz

EU should ruin their day, and send half a million new hammers with a note "thank you, here's new hammers to smash terroruZZkies to death with". Saves Ukraine the trouble of killing them, if they do it themselves.

[Voidism]

Does anyone know anything about the mystery fires around russia? So far, there has been no word on who might be behind them. I am not talking about the enlistment office fires but the ones against defense and energy industry.

Also, is it still unclear who or what caused the base in Crimea to be destroyed (mostly jet fighters) a couple of months ago? When russian started leaving Crimea.

[Corvus]

Poor Oryx. This has emerged in Belgorod in russia, just over the border - a war vehicle graveyard with hundreds of damaged and destroyed russian armoured vehicles.



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pootie didn't have a good CTSO meeting. Nobody wanted to stand next to mr stinky. Armenia, after being abandoned by the organisation when it was attacked by Azerbaijan, refused to sign at the end of the meeting, prompting an outburst from a Duma deputy from pootie's party, calling Armenia 'an illegal state'.

And Kazakhstan has been pulling away from russia towards the West and China, telling russia to stay out of its affairs. russian state propagandists have said the next country 'nazis' would be found in as a result is Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan, understandably, was not happy about it and wanted an explanation. russia's response, via pootie's spokesman peskov, was the Fox defence - 'not to listen to or watch russian propaganda.' The Kazakhs were not happy with that response.

[Kaleredar]

Poor Oryx. This has emerged in Belgorod in russia, just over the border - a war vehicle graveyard with hundreds of damaged and destroyed russian armoured vehicles.



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pootie didn't have a good CTSO meeting. Nobody wanted to stand next to mr stinky. Armenia, after being abandoned by the organisation when it was attacked by Azerbaijan, refused to sign at the end of the meeting, prompting an outburst from a Duma deputy from pootie's party, calling Armenia 'an illegal state'.

And Kazakhstan has been pulling away from russia towards the West and China, telling russia to stay out of its affairs. russian state propagandists have said the next country 'nazis' would be found in as a result is Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan, understandably, was not happy about it and wanted an explanation. russia's response, via pootie's spokesman peskov, was the Fox defence - 'not to listen to or watch russian propaganda.' The Kazakhs were not happy with that response.

The problem with trying to be a jack-booted thug threatening people into submission is that you have be 1) threatening and 2) have the ability to put people into submission.

Russia is neither.

[Corvus]

Via the Ukrainians, so could be grain of salt time, but they say that a russian MoD document called 'Conclusions of the war with NATO in Ukraine' has called for 5 million troops to be deployed for russia to win.

Yeah, they really want to go down the zerg rush route.