Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

It's pretty curt/to the point, but apparently - in a major escalation of words - Zelenksy went from saying he doesn't give a shit about Putin's fate to saying if he's dead, the war ends.

https://kyivindependent.com/news-fee...-if-putin-dies

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And like you, they'll be hard pressed to justify this claim because it's not one that is substantiated by current evidence.

No, Iran right now is definitely a threat for reasons that would warrant a mega thread - more than just supporting Russia. I'll make one of those in due time since I don't see one about the current state of affairs.

[Lahis]

That's why Russia is a threat.

Which is why it needs to be broken down into tiny warlord states that can fight eachother in order to restore the Glorious Empire.

[postman1782]

Ooof...nah. Russia has the numbers.

Russia is like the Zerg, just throwing bodies at the problem, bodies that turn into corpses until the enemy is just overwhelmed and buried under the corpses of the dead Zerg.

Individual training and equipment becomes less and less relevant the more combatants are involved in a battle. And when a side can outnumber the other 5 to 1, that training and equipment doesn't matter at all.

Is that why they are begging for Chinese help, Belarussian help, and using prisoners as soldiers? They have Iranian drones, North Korean missiles and artillery, and their guns they are giving their soldiers are literally rusted pieces of shit.

[YUPPIE]

Is that why they are begging for Chinese help, Belarussian help, and using prisoners as soldiers? They have Iranian drones, North Korean missiles and artillery

it still all adds up anyway. Although people want to believe China hasn't given Russia anything.

[Kallisto]

it still all adds up anyway. Although people want to believe China hasn't given Russia anything.

If China gave something material to Russia, we would have seen it by now. The only thing Chinese that's material has shown up for Ukraine. Maybe via Albania but maybe not

[Iphie]

Apparently Iran doesn't want to get sanctions.

So, Iran is such a good ally, eh? We'll see if it's true but it's kinda funny to see Iran actually weighing whether russia is worth the trouble.

[YUPPIE]

Apparently Iran doesn't want to get sanctions.

Iran will never get out of the fucking shithole they've dug for themselves this year. They will never not be sanctioned or evade them.

[postman1782]

it still all adds up anyway. Although people want to believe China hasn't given Russia anything.

That isn't helping them, they are failing in every way.

[The Stormbringer]

How does the map look? Have they pushed very far beyond the river?

[jeezusisacasual]

to not underestimate the depravity and conviction of Russia - nor fabricate the narrative they are weakening or the war itself will be over soon; NATO itself has stated Iran and Russia are unifyingly the greatest human threats to the planet at the moment.

They have zero chance of actually winning this conflict from not only their lack of ability but also from the willingness from their own populace to go die for the motherland. The goal should be to squeeze the economic grip on them to push their quality of life further down the drain to force them to adhere to the direction of the western world. Let's all hope the US Air force gets their way with giving the Ukrianians Reaper Drones and end this conflict sooner rather then later. That change alone would drastically change the outcome for the good guys.

[YUPPIE]

but also from the willingness from their own populace to go die for the motherland.

here's the obvious: putin doesn't give a shit for if you're willing; you will go, whoever you are, if you're called up.

Point case: Today a 12-year-old got a conscription notice.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/12-year...-50290133.html

[Skulltaker]

here's the obvious: putin doesn't give a shit for if you're willing; you will go, whoever you are, if you're called up.

Point case: Today a 12-year-old got a conscription notice.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/12-year...-50290133.html

That tells you nothing, other than Russian burocracy being just as shit as their military.

[YUPPIE]

if there's anything curious about the conscripting anyone bit, is how it's affected Putin's popularity in Russia. It'd be something that would tank his fame, but apparently the Russians still love him and think this is all Ukraine's fault.

That's some masterful manipulation or charisma at work.

[Corvus]

And I bet you believed Saddam had a 99% approval rating too.

[Gorsameth]

How does the map look? Have they pushed very far beyond the river?

I believe nothing has really changed. Ukraine is probably rotating units and extending supply lines. Also I don't know how conductive the weather is currently for doing operations.

[YUPPIE]

That tells you nothing, other than Russian bureaucracy being just as shit as their military.

it tells you willingness or motivation is not a factor to consider. Kids or whatever will all go to the frontlines with Wagner overseeing them.

Which kind of brings up the point of how said troops are allegedly not doing so good in terms of moral on the field. Reports include, convicts (as aforementioned) killed their superiors and went AWOL, enough people attempting to desert to where execution squads are needed, and friendly fire happening all the time due to a sheer lack of discipline and training - which includes the use of heavy artillery as well. The result is just having a bunch of people dying on masse without accomplishing much.

Pretty sad.

[Kallisto]

That tells you nothing, other than Russian burocracy being just as shit as their military.

It's likely kid shares name with adult, nobody double checks. We seen things like this happen before all over. Including things like 4 year old on flight ban list because shares name with a middle aged terrorist.

[YUPPIE]

Take this with a grain of salt since Ukraine loves to posture for morale

Russia has lost about 95,260 soldiers, 1,931 artillery systems and 5,930 armoured combat vehicles in its war of aggression against Ukraine.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Details: Total combat losses of the Russian forces between 24 February and 13 December 2022 are estimated to be as follows [figures in parentheses represent the latest losses – ed.]:

approximately 95,260 (+500) military personnel;
2,966 (+0) tanks;
5,930 (+2) armoured combat vehicles;
1,931 (+2) artillery systems;
404 (+7) multiple-launch rocket systems;
211 (+0) air defence systems,
281 (+0) fixed-wing aircraft;
264 (+0) helicopters;
1,617 (+0) operational-tactical UAVs;
592 (+0) cruise missiles;
16 (+0) ships/boats;
4,549 (+5) vehicles and tankers;
170 (+1) special vehicles and other equipment.

100k+ lives allegedly lost as of 2022

[Skulltaker]

Take this with a grain of salt since Ukraine loves to posture for morale

Pretty sure you're confusing 'Ukraine' in this case with 'yourself' and 'for morale' with 'because it's all you got.'

it tells you willingness or motivation is not a factor to consider. Kids or whatever will all go to the frontlines with Wagner overseeing them.

Which kind of brings up the point of how said troops are allegedly not doing so good in terms of moral on the field. Reports include, convicts (as aforementioned) killed their superiors and went AWOL, enough people attempting to desert to where execution squads are needed, and friendly fire happening all the time due to a sheer lack of discipline and training - which includes the use of heavy artillery as well. The result is just having a bunch of people dying on masse without accomplishing much.

Pretty sad.

No, it just tells you that someone in the bureaucratic process fucked up.

[Iphie]

Take this with a grain of salt since Ukraine loves to posture for morale

Russia has lost about 95,260 soldiers, 1,931 artillery systems and 5,930 armoured combat vehicles in its war of aggression against Ukraine.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Details: Total combat losses of the Russian forces between 24 February and 13 December 2022 are estimated to be as follows [figures in parentheses represent the latest losses – ed.]:

approximately 95,260 (+500) military personnel;
2,966 (+0) tanks;
5,930 (+2) armoured combat vehicles;
1,931 (+2) artillery systems;
404 (+7) multiple-launch rocket systems;
211 (+0) air defence systems,
281 (+0) fixed-wing aircraft;
264 (+0) helicopters;
1,617 (+0) operational-tactical UAVs;
592 (+0) cruise missiles;
16 (+0) ships/boats;
4,549 (+5) vehicles and tankers;
170 (+1) special vehicles and other equipment.

100k+ lives allegedly lost as of 2022

Perhaps a bit high but the Western powers are having similar estimates so you know, not impossible.

This does show that it is a meat grinder if even half of this is true.