1. #26901
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    And Wagner, a terror group being likened to ISIS lately.
    A group that's faceplanting in Bakhmut and likely has Putin smiling when they fail because it's one less group that could take him out of power.

    That's likely why Wagner want the city. They get a victory, advertise it and use it to take over Moscow. Because Bakhmut is tactically and strategically worthless.

  2. #26902
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    A group that's faceplanting in Bakhmut and likely has Putin smiling when they fail because it's one less group that could take him out of power.

    That's likely why Wagner want the city. They get a victory, advertise it and use it to take over Moscow. Because Bakhmut is tactically and strategically worthless.
    I'm shocked you see it that way. I thought the man who is more commonly known as Putin's chef would be his closest subordinate, not a usurper.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  3. #26903
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    the front page of reddit - the world's most used site - is not some niche news outlet.

    Also, when you say the "hows" and "whys" or Russia's military logistics, I'm being very restrained on what I can say. They've been going down hard on a lot of doomsday rhetoric you can't talk about here anymore, up to the "what happens" of if this all-out assault fails.

    For what it is, Ukraine claims it's fully prepared for *that* outcome, though.
    No, reddit's certainly not a "niche news outlet". It's not a "news outlet" at all - it's social media.

  4. #26904
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    1,5 million reserve means jack shit if you can't arm them with anything.
    That didn't stop them in WWII.
    That is what they do, that is all they know... try to overwhelm the enemy by sheer numbers.
    The people at the top don't give a crap if their zerglings are unarmed, that doesn't factor into the equation.

  5. #26905
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    That didn't stop them in WWII.
    That is what they do, that is all they know... try to overwhelm the enemy by sheer numbers.
    The people at the top don't give a crap if their zerglings are unarmed, that doesn't factor into the equation.
    this is exactly what I've been trying to fucking say but people think it's just crazy and how Russia isn't that bullheaded strategically. They can and likely will just rush Kyiv with large numbers.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  6. #26906
    Tried that months ago. They'll die again.

  7. #26907
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Tried that months ago. They'll die again.
    This. Using WW2 tactics is just retarded at the age of electronic warfare and precision bombing.

  8. #26908
    There is a massive difference between technology from ww2 to now. Muscovy could try a ww2 style zerg rush but it would end badly. Heck, they tried it at the start with their so called elite troops and that was a disaster and the Ukrainians didn't even have half the tech they do now.

    Zerg rushing against drones and shotgun himars, among other things? Good luck with that.

    Could you imagine what himars would have done to that stalled 40km column north of Kyiv?
    Last edited by Corvus; 2022-12-16 at 08:40 AM.

  9. #26909
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Tried that months ago. They'll die again.
    This time with more meat. If that doesn't work then next time, with even more meat. That is how it "works"... eventually.

  10. #26910
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    this is exactly what I've been trying to fucking say but people think it's just crazy and how Russia isn't that bullheaded strategically. They can and likely will just rush Kyiv with large numbers.
    And you are blind enough to not realize that russia can throw all the men it wants at Ukraine, and they will all die the same if they have no equipment.

  11. #26911
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    This. Using WW2 tactics is just retarded at the age of electronic warfare and precision bombing.
    Yes it is retarded, very retarded. But that does not mean they won't try. Like I said, the powers that be think very little of their insignificant russsian citizens. They're just cogs in the wheel. Easily expendaple.

  12. #26912
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Yes it is retarded, very retarded. But that does not mean they won't try.
    I know. I welcome the effort tho. Makes russia that much more likely to just collapse the more men of working age they get killed.

  13. #26913
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I know. I welcome the effort tho. Makes russia that much more likely to just collapse the more men of working age they get killed.
    Yes, in the long term. But not right now. Right now they might still secure a victory with these zerg rush tactics.

  14. #26914
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Yes, in the long term. But not right now. Right now they might still secure a victory with these zerg rush tactics.
    I very much doubt that.

  15. #26915
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Yes, in the long term. But not right now. Right now they might still secure a victory with these zerg rush tactics.
    Not a chance. Muscovy is struggling to feed the 200k it has in the field already. Trying to feed 1.5 million? The Wanker SS cannibals will be fine, but the rest? There will be mass starvation going on.

  16. #26916
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    It's hard to believe Putin doesn't realise that another go at Kiev from the north is sheer insanity, especially AGAIN in february. If any army gets stuck on the same road as this year, it would be an absolute, onesided bloodbath.

    My guess is that troop buildup in Belarus has another purpose than attack Kiev. For one, since Ukraine probably doesn't want to attack troop buildups there, the troops can train relativally safe. For two, while a repeat of february-april this year is pretty unlikely, Ukraine cannot afford to take chances on that. So a significant Russian presence north of Kiev will tie down more Ukraine defenses that otherwise could be used in the south and east.

    Those Russian troops in Belarus are probably more useful to Putin if they don't attack, stay alive and just hang about, especially if they now are basically untrained, badly equipped and close to useless in the east and south.

    Now, that is what I think would be the sane thing to do. But it's not like starting this war was that sane to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedSkull View Post
    Sometimes i have this sneaking suspicion that they are a plant sent here to spread panic and doubt with their posts...
    He's doing a shit job at it considering how laughable it all is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazza View Post
    It's hard to believe Putin doesn't realise that another go at Kiev from the north is sheer insanity, especially AGAIN in february. If any army gets stuck on the same road as this year, it would be an absolute, onesided bloodbath.

    My guess is that troop buildup in Belarus has another purpose than attack Kiev. For one, since Ukraine probably doesn't want to attack troop buildups there, the troops can train relativally safe. For two, while a repeat of february-april this year is pretty unlikely, Ukraine cannot afford to take chances on that. So a significant Russian presence north of Kiev will tie down more Ukraine defenses that otherwise could be used in the south and east.

    Those Russian troops in Belarus are probably more useful to Putin if they don't attack, stay alive and just hang about, especially if they now are basically untrained, badly equipped and close to useless in the east and south.

    Now, that is what I think would be the sane thing to do. But it's not like starting this war was that sane to begin with.
    A large Russian presence also has the benefit of keeping Belarus in line. Lukashenko might be a cock-gobbler, but there's no doubt some amount of grumbling among the general population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    A large Russian presence also has the benefit of keeping Belarus in line. Lukashenko might be a cock-gobbler, but there's no doubt some amount of grumbling among the general population.
    Not convinced that really changes much Belarus wise. The aftermath of the last "elections" in Belarus showed Lukashenko has quite the grip on the country and it's people, grumbling or not. The one thing that could be worrying is if Putin manages to draw Belarus into the war properly, but I still think that is pretty unlikely for now.

  19. #26919
    I had a great laugh when that tv guy went: ''one missile on the dutch dykes and its bye bye country'' .. True, but it will take longer then he thinks and he needs a stormy day for it to be super effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    I had a great laugh when that tv guy went: ''one missile on the dutch dykes and its bye bye country'' .. True, but it will take longer then he thinks and he needs a stormy day for it to be super effective.
    Lol! While "Vesting Holland" behind the Waterlinie is a thing of the past punching through one dyke will soak a polder and the rest of the country will be fine. Which sillybun russian said otherwise?

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