Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

this is exactly what I've been trying to fucking say but people think it's just crazy and how Russia isn't that bullheaded strategically. They can and likely will just rush Kyiv with large numbers.

And you are blind enough to not realize that russia can throw all the men it wants at Ukraine, and they will all die the same if they have no equipment.

[zorkuus]

This. Using WW2 tactics is just retarded at the age of electronic warfare and precision bombing.

Yes it is retarded, very retarded. But that does not mean they won't try. Like I said, the powers that be think very little of their insignificant russsian citizens. They're just cogs in the wheel. Easily expendaple.

[Gabriel]

Yes it is retarded, very retarded. But that does not mean they won't try.

I know. I welcome the effort tho. Makes russia that much more likely to just collapse the more men of working age they get killed.

[zorkuus]

I know. I welcome the effort tho. Makes russia that much more likely to just collapse the more men of working age they get killed.

Yes, in the long term. But not right now. Right now they might still secure a victory with these zerg rush tactics.

[Gabriel]

Yes, in the long term. But not right now. Right now they might still secure a victory with these zerg rush tactics.

I very much doubt that.

[Corvus]

Yes, in the long term. But not right now. Right now they might still secure a victory with these zerg rush tactics.

Not a chance. Muscovy is struggling to feed the 200k it has in the field already. Trying to feed 1.5 million? The Wanker SS cannibals will be fine, but the rest? There will be mass starvation going on.

[Mazza]

It's hard to believe Putin doesn't realise that another go at Kiev from the north is sheer insanity, especially AGAIN in february. If any army gets stuck on the same road as this year, it would be an absolute, onesided bloodbath.

My guess is that troop buildup in Belarus has another purpose than attack Kiev. For one, since Ukraine probably doesn't want to attack troop buildups there, the troops can train relativally safe. For two, while a repeat of february-april this year is pretty unlikely, Ukraine cannot afford to take chances on that. So a significant Russian presence north of Kiev will tie down more Ukraine defenses that otherwise could be used in the south and east.

Those Russian troops in Belarus are probably more useful to Putin if they don't attack, stay alive and just hang about, especially if they now are basically untrained, badly equipped and close to useless in the east and south.

Now, that is what I think would be the sane thing to do. But it's not like starting this war was that sane to begin with.

[Belize]

Sometimes i have this sneaking suspicion that they are a plant sent here to spread panic and doubt with their posts...

He's doing a shit job at it considering how laughable it all is.

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It's hard to believe Putin doesn't realise that another go at Kiev from the north is sheer insanity, especially AGAIN in february. If any army gets stuck on the same road as this year, it would be an absolute, onesided bloodbath.

My guess is that troop buildup in Belarus has another purpose than attack Kiev. For one, since Ukraine probably doesn't want to attack troop buildups there, the troops can train relativally safe. For two, while a repeat of february-april this year is pretty unlikely, Ukraine cannot afford to take chances on that. So a significant Russian presence north of Kiev will tie down more Ukraine defenses that otherwise could be used in the south and east.

Those Russian troops in Belarus are probably more useful to Putin if they don't attack, stay alive and just hang about, especially if they now are basically untrained, badly equipped and close to useless in the east and south.

Now, that is what I think would be the sane thing to do. But it's not like starting this war was that sane to begin with.

A large Russian presence also has the benefit of keeping Belarus in line. Lukashenko might be a cock-gobbler, but there's no doubt some amount of grumbling among the general population.

[Mazza]

A large Russian presence also has the benefit of keeping Belarus in line. Lukashenko might be a cock-gobbler, but there's no doubt some amount of grumbling among the general population.

Not convinced that really changes much Belarus wise. The aftermath of the last "elections" in Belarus showed Lukashenko has quite the grip on the country and it's people, grumbling or not. The one thing that could be worrying is if Putin manages to draw Belarus into the war properly, but I still think that is pretty unlikely for now.

[Fuiking]

I had a great laugh when that tv guy went: ''one missile on the dutch dykes and its bye bye country'' .. True, but it will take longer then he thinks and he needs a stormy day for it to be super effective.

[Iphie]

I had a great laugh when that tv guy went: ''one missile on the dutch dykes and its bye bye country'' .. True, but it will take longer then he thinks and he needs a stormy day for it to be super effective.

Lol! While "Vesting Holland" behind the Waterlinie is a thing of the past punching through one dyke will soak a polder and the rest of the country will be fine. Which sillybun russian said otherwise?

[Saradain]

I give you a point, Yuppie, for actually linking the thing you quote!

However, what comes to your doomsday all-out assault:

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-december-15

Russia may be setting conditions to conduct a new offensive against Ukraine— possibly against Kyiv—in winter 2023. Such an attack is extraordinarily unlikely to succeed. A Russian attack from Belarus is not imminent at this time.

YUPPIE thinking 200k+ orcs with no supplies or proper equipment can simply reach Kyiv and storm it no problem

VS

a think tank researching military-based subjects

I have no concerns for Kyiv and Ukraine. No need to worry any defenses would be breached, nazi Russia after all is eager to spend all its support fire on civilian targets.

[zealo]

I had a great laugh when that tv guy went: ''one missile on the dutch dykes and its bye bye country'' .. True, but it will take longer then he thinks and he needs a stormy day for it to be super effective.

For anyone who wants to know more about that, this happened recently.

https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/...46290761424897

Russian propagandists are starting to ponder being sent to the Hague.

[YUPPIE]

Russia has launched 100+ missiles at Ukraine overnight, not sure what's going on right now. It's absolute chaos.

EDIT: 76.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...33190602006534

[ArcanaXVIII]

Russia has launched 100+ missiles at Ukraine overnight, not sure what's going on right now. It's absolute chaos.

EDIT: 76.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...33190602006534

They've been doing that every now and then for months and most of them get intercepted. Stop the alarmist bullshit.

[YUPPIE]

Update and full story:

On December 16, Russians launched 76 missiles at Ukraine, including 72 cruise missiles. Ukraine’s air defence forces downed 60 of them.

Source: Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on Telegram; Armed Forces of Ukraine, on Telegram

Quote: "According to preliminary reports, the enemy launched 76 missiles at Ukraine’s critical infrastructure targets, among them 72 are cruise missiles (Kh-101, Kalibr, Kh-22) and 4 guided air-launched missiles (Kh-59/Kh-31P), from the water area of the Caspian and Black seas."

Details: According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 60 Russian missiles were shot down by the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Ukrainian Air Force and the air defence of the Ground Forces.

"The missile terror and the enemy's daring attempts to break through Kyiv's anti-aircraft defences will not force us to lay down our arms," Zaluzhnyi emphasised.

The Air Force said that the specific feature of this attack was that the Kh-101/Kh-555 cruise missiles were launched not only from above the Caspian Sea and Saratov Oblast, but also over the Engels airbase that hosts the Tu-95MS strategic bombers, which carry the missiles.

Apart from that, the invaders launched sea-based cruise missiles from the Admiral Makarov cruiser, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

Several Kh-22 cruise missiles were launched from Tu-22M3, the long-range bombers, over the Sea of Azov; four Kh-59 and Kh-31P, the air-launched missiles, were fired from Russian tactical aviation, presumably Su-35 fighter jets.

During the large-scale attack, an Il-76 A-50U, a Russian AWACS jet, hovered in the skies over Belarus; a MiG-31K interceptor capable of carrying a Kinzhal hypersonic missile patrolled the skies, too.

During the attack, Athe occupiers also opened fire from S-300 surface-to-air missile systems; about 27 launches were observed.

[Poopymonster]

It's hard to believe Putin doesn't realise that another go at Kiev from the north is sheer insanity, especially AGAIN in february. If any army gets stuck on the same road as this year, it would be an absolute, onesided bloodbath.

My guess is that troop buildup in Belarus has another purpose than attack Kiev. For one, since Ukraine probably doesn't want to attack troop buildups there, the troops can train relativally safe. For two, while a repeat of february-april this year is pretty unlikely, Ukraine cannot afford to take chances on that. So a significant Russian presence north of Kiev will tie down more Ukraine defenses that otherwise could be used in the south and east.

Those Russian troops in Belarus are probably more useful to Putin if they don't attack, stay alive and just hang about, especially if they now are basically untrained, badly equipped and close to useless in the east and south.

Now, that is what I think would be the sane thing to do. But it's not like starting this war was that sane to begin with.

Perhaps Vladdy has hopes that once his "Donor Recipients" are in control of the House of Representatives, Ukraine assistance will grind to a fucking halt. This would severely limit the resources Ukraine has and make it easier to drown them in bodies when they aren't getting rearmed.

[Forogil]

I have no concerns for Kyiv and Ukraine. No need to worry any defenses would be breached, nazi Russia after all is eager to spend all its support fire on civilian targets.

Well, I have some concerns for Kyiv and Ukraine, not major - but still so large that we should increase the supplies to reduce the risk (like longer-range missiles and air defense).

As for the Russian in Belarus the obvious explanation is that they are getting some training - as the ones that would normally train them is in Ukraine, while tying up some forces.

[Veggie50]

People are still missing the point with Russias messaging…

Russi declared that patriot missile installations would be considered legitimate military targets.

That’s clear confirmation that Russia garantees the safety of such installations. They don’t hit legitimate targets.

Read between the lines sheeple!

[YUPPIE]

Today: Russian President Vladimir Putin held a phone call with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi about the situation in Ukraine and ties between Moscow and New Delhi.

Putin and Modi "expressed satisfaction" with the high level of bilateral cooperation developing based on "a particularly privileged Russian-Indian strategic partnership," the Kremlin said in a statement.

"The leaders discussed in detail the prospects for practical cooperation in such areas as mutual investment, energy, agriculture, transport, and logistics," it added.

They also pointed out the importance of continuing close coordination within international organizations, including taking into account India's chairmanship in the Group of 20 and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the statement said.

"At the request of Narendra Modi, Vladimir Putin gave principled assessments in the context of Russia's line on the Ukrainian direction," it added.

Putin and Modi also agreed to continue personal contacts.