Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Santti]

Ukrainians need to do far more deterrence. Every time a suicide drone or missile hits their infrastructure or civilians they need to respond with missiles on Moscow.

As little as I would care about the Russian casualties should that happen, it'd pretty much guarantee Ukraine's international support being withdrawn. Besides, such terror tactics don't work. WW2 taught that lesson well enough (and more recently, Ukrainians themselves). No, it'd only justify the existence of the war in the eyes of the Russians.

[Mazza]

Ukrainians need to do far more deterrence. Every time a suicide drone or missile hits their infrastructure or civilians they need to respond with missiles on Moscow.

I am not against strikes on Russian soil (actual Russian soil that is) but Ukraine should keep their targets military. Like, if they could get the location of sites where those drones launch from, nobody (except ofc Russia) would condemn attacks against those.

[YUPPIE]

As little as I would care about the Russian casualties should that happen

That's pretty messed up

[Huehuecoyotl]

That's pretty messed up

You are masturbating furiously at the prospect of a nuclear war that would kill billions. Pretty sure you aren't in a position to describe anyone else as "messed up".

[YUPPIE]

Putting aside everything you said, there's a lot of clamoring for Ukraine to strike at Moscow - people saying they deserve to be able to do so. Considering these are indiscriminate retaliatory attacks in mind, that is indeed very disturbing.

Ukraine is already striking at military infrastructure in Russia. Advocating for the attack of civilians is horrifying.

[Jaransan]

Putting aside everything you said, there's a lot of clamoring for Ukraine to strike at Moscow - people saying they deserve to be able to do so. Considering these are indiscriminate retaliatory attacks in mind, that is indeed very disturbing.

Ukraine is already striking at military infrastructure in Russia. Advocating for the attack of civilians is horrifying.

Wow it’s almost like bombing the most important city in a country once gives you the leverage to make people back down without having to do it repeatedly.

Obviously that doesn’t always work - but ‘you aren’t allowed to fight back by bombing the location of the government that is currently trying to genocide you’ is pretty weak as far as arguments ago. Im sure there are lots of things in Moscow that would hurt Putin if he lost them. It’s not a binary decision.

[Kallisto]

Ukrainians need to do far more deterrence. Every time a suicide drone or missile hits their infrastructure or civilians they need to respond with missiles on Moscow.

No they dont. That's the fastest way of losing international support and would play right into Putin's hands as we seen in history going after civilians just galvanises them. Also it's a waste of a drone.

Keeping them on military targets keeps the international support, keeps from having a resdurgsnce in support for the war within Russia. It also with the sanctions means a lot less equipment Russia has to throw at Ukraine.

Emotions need to be turned off and revenge strikes off the table. Keep it military targets as it does the greatest damage to Russian war effort.

[Rustedsaint]

While I wouldn’t care if Ukrainians leveled Moscow in retaliation, the majority of the international support they received would falter. You would still have the USA backing Ukrainian but others would shy away.
Granted Ukrainians/supporters should be able to get away with more fires/targeting certain members of the Russian government.

[ringpriest]

how do you establish deterrence?

I can tell you how you don't do deterrence: by attacking things your enemy doesn't value, and letting them set the narrative seen by third parties.

Putin, his buddies, and the kleptocrats for whom he manages Russia don't give a damn about random Russians on the streets of Moscow. All Ukrainian terror attacks on Moscow or Russian civilians would do is empower Putin and his false narrative of Russia under attack by Western-backed terrorists in Ukraine.

What Ukraine is already doing is the right thing: targeting key Russian logistical and strategic nodes as best they can. It hurts Putin's ability to wage war, makes him look weak, and threatens Russia's already questionable ability to deploy its strategic (nuclear) forces.

[YUPPIE]

Today Israel formally told Ukraine why it's not supporting them with weapons, and they more or less said it was due to Putin's ties with Bashar in Syria (i.e Putin can be a grave threat in renewing that aid)

[Kallisto]

Today Israel formally told Ukraine why it's not supporting them with weapons, and they more or less said it was due to Putin's ties with Bashar in Syria (i.e Putin can be a grave threat in renewing that aid)

Or if said in another way.

Israel doing strikes in Syria can hold down many Russian military personnel who would be needed in keeping Assad in power, and thus kept away from Ukraine. So it still helps Ukraine.

[Milchshake]

Putin's Rouble policy took another hit today.

[Omega10]

Putin's Rouble policy took another hit today.

This is standard Fox level not even disinformation. It is a flat out lie.

Over the last year, according to XE currency converter, from before the invasion, the ruble has risen from 0.13 to 0.014 dollars. You are too smart to not know this. You also know that 60-75 rubles per dollar is Putin's publicly announced desired value for the ruble. Right now it is at roughly 69.2, well within desired ranges

For all there is to complain about with regards to Russia, you decided to just flat out lie? The exact details you provided are true. Your implied conclusion that the ruble is in trouble us a lie

[Yunru]

This is standard Fox level not even disinformation. It is a flat out lie.

Over the last year, according to XE currency converter, from before the invasion, the ruble has risen from 0.13 to 0.014 dollars. You are too smart to not know this. You also know that 60-75 rubles per dollar is Putin's publicly announced desired value for the ruble. Right now it is at roughly 69.2, well within desired ranges

For all there is to complain about with regards to Russia, you decided to just flat out lie? The exact details you provided are true. Your implied conclusion that the ruble is in trouble us a lie

1 Ruskan rouble is same as 0,014 evro.
From 15 dec it was 0.015 euro.... but from 7 march 2022 it was on 0.0016, rising up to 0.018 on sept, but now its falling down for a while now.
But yeah it did go down, just not as much as people think.

Lets say a bread you buy is 2.5 evro -- this 2.50 Euros = 184.76341 Russian Rubles now for bread
A day before bread costed 166.667 Russian Rubles

Quick google search. It is noticable difference. Its like 1 dolar bread is not 1.2 dolar or something.

[Corvus]

A russian volunteer who has been involved since 2014 posted a 5k+ word essay on just how bad things are getting for the russian forces. He expects the Ukrainians will go through the lines like a knife through butter during the winter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartransl...82364269731840

The gherkin himself said it was recommended reading. The blogger expects he will die on the front-line which is I guess why he isn't afraid of being killed by the authorities for such criticism.

He says a shortage of artillery shells is forcing them to use tanks as indirect artillery, wearing out their barrels and rendering them useless in their intended role of taking out other tanks.

He also says the russian army has an amazing ability to turn every tiny village and pig pen into a mini-Verdun on which they bleeding away their infantry.

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Russian propaganda so cringe it makes you wonder if it isn't parody.

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad2...48265802096641


Trying to encourage middle age Afghanistan vets suffering from ptsd to go fight in Ukraine so they can buy their daughters iPhones. Plus apparently it's normal for workers to routinely not be paid on time in russia.

[DarkTZeratul]

A russian volunteer who has been involved since 2014 posted a 5k+ word essay on just how bad things are getting for the russian forces. He expects the Ukrainians will go through the lines like a knife through butter during the winter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartransl...82364269731840

The gherkin himself said it was recommended reading. The blogger expects he will die on the front-line which is I guess why he isn't afraid of being killed by the authorities for such criticism.

He says a shortage of artillery shells is forcing them to use tanks as indirect artillery, wearing out their barrels and rendering them useless in their intended role of taking out other tanks.

He also says the russian army has an amazing ability to turn every tiny village and pig pen into a mini-Verdun on which they bleeding away their infantry.

And it ends by explicitly comparing the Russian Federation to Tsarist Russia, which feels like it's probably a massive burn for a Russia.

[YUPPIE]

all that talk of logistics, and losses to Russia. It's all meaningless one way or another.

Because for how you people want to believe it has meaning, the reality is Russia doesn't care and will send thousands upon thousands to die for some victories that they hope will lead to conquest.

There's already reports/complaints about Wagner commanders using the lot of Russians as cannon fodder on the field.

[Corvus]

Hear that guys? Apparently Sun Tzu and all the other winning generals who said logistics is what wins wars were wrong.

Zerg rushing poorly equipped poorly trained hordes no longer works. Oh, and Wagner has been driven back again in Bakhmut, loosing ground that took them weeks and huge casualties to gain.

[YUPPIE]

Hear that guys? Apparently Sun Tzu and all the other winning generals who said logistics is what wins wars were wrong.

Zerg rushing poorly equipped poorly trained hordes no longer works. Oh, and Wagner has been driven back again in Bakhmut, loosing ground that took them weeks and huge casualties to gain.

This is Russia's core wartime belief, not mine. That's why they insist on these tactics. They think after enough of throwing bodies (and horrible war crimes), the opposition will be fatigued from it.

So say in the next few months they send 200k soldiers; all of them die. The next time they'll send 500k.

[Iphie]

This is Russia's core wartime belief, not mine. That's why they insist on these tactics. They think after enough of throwing bodies (and horrible war crimes), the opposition will be fatigued from it.

So say in the next few months they send 200k soldiers; all of them die. The next time they'll send 500k.

Bud...if 700k die in the next year then the russian population ceases to exist as there is no way their demographics can absorb a loss that big.