Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

The Iranian government threatened to kill Zelensky over his speech, claiming it has not supported Russia and that his words were harmful to its reputation.

When you hear a tin-pot authoritarian country making spurious comments, you need to remember to ask yourself one simple question before you come in freak out posting:

“What the fuck are they going to do about it?”

So what if Iran has their fee-fees hurt by zelensky?

[Gabriel]

It technically uses Mazut which is EXTREMELY unhealthy.

It's magical how nuking that thing would be a net benefit for the environment.

[YUPPIE]

When you hear a tin-pot authoritarian country making spurious comments, you need to remember to ask yourself one simple question before you come in freak out posting:

“What the fuck are they going to do about it?”

this isn't North Korea with bluffing; Iran has decimated Ukraine with its drones. Also, considering everything else going on in their country, they should be taken very fucking seriously as a threat.

[Corvus]

Russia's only aircraft carrier, the “Admiral Kuznetsov” is on fire again in Murmansk, Russia.
A fire also broke out on the carrier in 2019, killing and injuring several people, and it has been in repair since 2018, which will continue until 2024.

The number 3 naval power of black sea, again is struggling with basic upkeep and safety.

Using the term "aircraft carrier" loosely here. Easier to type than aircraft-ramp-moved-by-tugboats.

That thing is cursed. If russia was sensible they would just scrap it, as it is just a massive money sink that is a complete waste of time, money and effort. Lucky for everyone they aren't smart and keep pouring obscene amounts of money into it.

Technically i should have been Ukraine's after the breakup of the USSR, but russia stole it, only to realise they didn't have facilities to house it. On top of that, they swapped out the Ukrainian made boilers for russian made ones. hence a lot of its problems.

[Kaleredar]

this isn't North Korea; Iran has decimated Ukraine with its drones.. Also, considering everything else going on in their country, they should be taken very fucking seriously as a threat.

Iran’s drones have done no such thing to Ukraine.

Again, what are they going to do about it? Give me actual steps that go beyond the scrapware drones Iran has given Russia, mostly under wraps because they’re afraid of the economical and political repercussions countries with real teeth (like the US) can do to them.

[YUPPIE]

Iran’s drones have done no such thing to Ukraine.

Iranian drones are responsible for a vast amount of civilian and infrastructure deaths/destruction in Ukraine. If that aforementioned threat wasn't leveraged at Zelenksy's life like people want to believe, it is a threat to escalate this damage.

[Xyonai]

this isn't North Korea with bluffing; Iran has decimated Ukraine with its drones. Also, considering everything else going on in their country, they should be taken very fucking seriously as a threat.

Iran's not going to do jack or shit to anyone. Like Russia they've gotten comfortable punching down on Civvies and people who can't fight back they'd fold like the paper tiger they are as soon as they meet any sort of conventional resistance.

They're just sabre rattling to let Russia know they're serious about their Alliance of Shitty, Regressive Pariah states.

[YUPPIE]

Like Russia they've gotten comfortable punching down on Civvies and people who can't fight back

but that makes them a threat; they're killing another country's civilians indiscriminately and often deliberately.

[Kaleredar]

Iranian drones are responsible for a vast amount of civilian and infrastructure deaths/destruction in Ukraine. If that aforementioned threat wasn't leveraged at Zelenksy's life like people want to believe, it is a threat to escalate this damage.

You seem to be under the assumption that Russia/Iran are “holding back” some sort of greater concerted force.

They are not. They are trying their damndest, as pathetic and flailing as it is. So their… and your… threats that calling them out as terrorists or murderers or zelensky affirming ukraines relation with the US will somehow drive them to some greater level of violence of depravity is an empty one.

They’ll kill civilians and their own troops, complain that the rest of the world is being unfairly mean to them, and then continue killing civilians and sending their troops to die. Iran will continue to not-so-subtly sell junk drones to Russia.

So let me ask you a third time, how is Iran going to escalate this beyond what they were just going to do anyway?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Watching the Ukraine war, it's almost like I'm watching early 1900's history repeat itself.

An autocratic government invading a sovereign nation to annex territory? A concerted effort to help said sovereign nation defend itself from all western nations including the US? A right wing resistance to helping said nation and simply allowing the invasion?

Not to go full YUPPIE, but sometimes my mind does wander to thoughts of "is it truly going to take nuke drops to make Russia surrender?"

It's utterly disgraceful that the US's right wing party is more aligned with Putin. I hope that history remembers them as the losers they are.

[YUPPIE]

It's utterly disgraceful that the US's right wing party is more aligned with Putin.

not just the US. The majority of the world's right-wing.

[Cthulhu 2020]

not just the US. The majority of the world's right-wing.

As the country whose primary values are freedom, democracy and ESPECIALLY for how much the right rails about "foreign invasions" from immigrants, the fact that they're against protecting a sovereign nation shows that not only they're hypocrites, but cowards as well.

[Kaleredar]

Watching the Ukraine war, it's almost like I'm watching early 1900's history repeat itself.

An autocratic government invading a sovereign nation to annex territory? A concerted effort to help said sovereign nation defend itself from all western nations including the US? A right wing resistance to helping said nation and simply allowing the invasion?

Not to go full YUPPIE, but sometimes my mind does wander to thoughts of "is it truly going to take nuke drops to make Russia surrender?"

It's utterly disgraceful that the US's right wing party is more aligned with Putin. I hope that history remembers them as the losers they are.

They’re aligned because 1) Russia funds them and 2) the democrats support Ukraine, so they have to not support Ukraine. I doubt that beyond those two measures they give a flying fuck what happens with Russia or Ukraine, so long as they can make the democrats look bad and money can keep going into their pockets.

As for Russia, remember what happened to them in the even earlier 1900s; an over commitment to a war effort while their people were ground under the wheels of an oppressive, apathetic government. Nukes aren’t necessary in any capacity; so long as Ukraine remains able to fight due to foreign funding, Russia will continue to rot internally. That will give eventually. Russia’s internal rot has caused political upheaval twice now only a hair over the last 100 years. There’s nothing that makes Putin’s tin pot Russia “stronger” than tsarist Russia or the USSR that both fell before him.

[Cthulhu 2020]

They’re aligned because 1) Russia funds them and 2) the democrats support Ukraine, so they have to not support Ukraine.

The right also idealizes autocratic "strong men" like Putin. I imagine many of them wish Putin was their president instead, since he actually succeeded in securing power for himself. He also aligns with their culture war, i.e. anti LGBTQ, pro religion, etc.

[YUPPIE]

so I just want to bring it up again since it's close and Ukraine just received Patriot missiles:

How do you think Russia's January - February 200k (estimated) man assault on Kyiv will play out? Judging from speculation, just think of the way they assaulted Kyiv at the beginning of the invasion - renewed, but with more numbers.

[Kallisto]

so I just want to bring it up again since it's close and Ukraine just received Patriot missiles:

How do you think Russia's January - February 200k (estimated) man assault on Kyiv will play out? Judging from speculation, just think of the way they assaulted Kyiv at the beginning of the invasion - renewed, but with more numbers.

More numbers + bigger supply strain + more attrition - equipment = more dead russians. This time with a Ukraine that's mobilized, NATO trained, more armed, and angrier. Add to the fact even IF they do somehow take Kyiv and afterwards everything east of Kyiv you're dealing with a hostile populace where you need 1 armed person for every 2-3 people to effectively occupy it when the locals are hostile. 1 person for every 20 if the nation was as compliment as Crimea was, then Russia just will not be able to hold it. It'll be WW2 Yugoslavia on steroids.

[callipygoustp]

so I just want to bring it up again since it's close and Ukraine just received Patriot missiles:

How do you think Russia's January - February 200k (estimated) man assault on Kyiv will play out? Judging from speculation, just think of the way they assaulted Kyiv at the beginning of the invasion - renewed, but with more numbers.

LOL @ the notion of "renewed".

[YUPPIE]

Judging from the fact Ukrainian intelligence claims Wagner loses hundreds of soldiers per week for months now, it calls into question of Russia's numbers. It seems like they don't run out if thousands of individual humans are just disposable like that.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

so I just want to bring it up again since it's close and Ukraine just received Patriot missiles:

How do you think Russia's January - February 200k (estimated) man assault on Kyiv will play out? Judging from speculation, just think of the way they assaulted Kyiv at the beginning of the invasion - renewed, but with more numbers.

Judging from speculation, there are plenty of military experts that don't believe there will be a 200k man assault on Kyiv.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/5845

"Such an offensive does not appear very probable to me, but it's not impossible at the same time," independent Russian military analyst Alexander Khamchikhin told AFP.

Discussing Russian capabilities recently, US military expert Michael Kofman also judged Russia going on the offensive as a "rather unlikely scenario".

"They have significant ammunition constraints and the Russian military's performance now is very closely tied to the availability of artillery ammunition fires," Kofman told the War on the Rocks podcast.

"We aren't seeing any indication that there's an imminent move on Kyiv," said White House spokesman John Kirby.

[Kaleredar]

As the country whose primary values are freedom, democracy and ESPECIALLY for how much the right rails about "foreign invasions" from immigrants, the fact that they're against protecting a sovereign nation shows that not only they're hypocrites, but cowards as well.

Putin isn’t coming off as very “strong” right now.