1. #27401
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Just seen a propaganda video on Reddit of dead Russian soldiers arranged into a Z by Ukrainian soldiers. Am I right in thinking that desecration of corpses is a war crime? I mean I get it. The Ukrainians are pissed and war is hell. But still. I can imagine that behind the scenes they're being told that supporting that shit makes us look bad.
    I'd say 99% chance its fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biglog View Post
    Russia announced a 2-day ceasefire, skeptical but we'll see if it holds up. At the same time in the last week they've been moving more tanks and equipment to Belarus for what everyone believes will be a 2nd push from there, as well as announcing new mass production factories in the East for rockets, drones, and counter-drone equipment mostly licensed from Iran. They added that they plan to manufacture at least 6000 Iranian-designed drones there. So it's definitely a mixed message. It's fairly transparent that Russia would prefer a short break in the combat to regroup and resupply, but that they also have no intention of actually stopping or (voluntarily) withdrawing.
    Russia has bombed civilian refugee evacuation corridors. They don't get to claim a moral high ground for an orthodox Christmas peace.
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    Obviously its not genuine.
    It is a distracting move if anything.
    I would expect a new offensive from Belarus shortly, towards kiev (and liviv this time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I'd say 99% chance its fake.
    You mean it's designed to make Ukraine look bad? I don't know if I'm allowed to link it but you can watch it on the Ukrainian War Video Report subreddit and make up your own mind. Looks real to me. People should remember that just because we're on Ukraine's side doesn't mean they don't do some fucked up shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Just seen a propaganda video on Reddit of dead Russian soldiers arranged into a Z by Ukrainian soldiers. Am I right in thinking that desecration of corpses is a war crime? I mean I get it. The Ukrainians are pissed and war is hell. But still. I can imagine that behind the scenes they're being told that supporting that shit makes us look bad.
    Lmao. Glad to see that people stick to the traditions with ruski invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Lmao. Glad to see that people stick to the traditions with ruski invaders.
    Finns and Ukrainians, brothers forged in russian blood.

    And, predictably, Ukraine rejects the ceasefire:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...box=1672942931
    Last edited by Iphie; 2023-01-05 at 06:42 PM.

  6. #27406
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    You mean it's designed to make Ukraine look bad? I don't know if I'm allowed to link it but you can watch it on the Ukrainian War Video Report subreddit and make up your own mind. Looks real to me. People should remember that just because we're on Ukraine's side doesn't mean they don't do some fucked up shit.
    At first I was thinking that it might of been the older video from the start of the war where you had a bunch of dead bodies placed in a Z and that ended up being fake. However this is in the snow so it most likely is current, so there are chances that it is real. I have been fully behind Ukraine, but I do not like stuff like this. This type of stuff imo undermines the image they are trying to paint. However I do know that it was probably done by only several people out of the 100k+ fighting and I can only imagine what war does to ones psyche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Just seen a propaganda video on Reddit of dead Russian soldiers arranged into a Z by Ukrainian soldiers. Am I right in thinking that desecration of corpses is a war crime? I mean I get it. The Ukrainians are pissed and war is hell. But still. I can imagine that behind the scenes they're being told that supporting that shit makes us look bad.
    cutting off ears for trophies is desecration, laying people out isnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    cutting off ears for trophies is desecration, laying people out isnt.
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  9. #27409
    Pootie says he is ready for peace if Ukraine cedes occupied territories. Ukraine also rejected that.

    And the US and Germany have announced they are sending the Bradley and Marder IFVs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Pootie says he is ready for peace if Ukraine cedes occupied territories. Ukraine also rejected that.

    And the US and Germany have announced they are sending the Bradley and Marder IFVs.
    Which occupied territories? Only luhansk and Crimea can be said to be, more or less, secured, Kherson, Zaporozhye and Donetsk are quite contested...yet somehow I doubt pooter means that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Well, something is going to buckle, eventually. This is just not sustainable for Russia. It just isn't.

    Russia is stuck between rock and a hard place right now. They can't win, but they can't surrender, either. The image of a strong Russia would crumble into dust, and such image is everything for authoritarians.
    Pootie is running out of rocks to throw too. According to Ukraine, all of the Iranian suicide drones launched in 2023 have been intercepted by AA systems.

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    The US will be sending 50 Bradleys and the Germans 40 Marders. Given the US has something like 2000 Bradleys in storage you'd hope this was just the first batch. But they are a huge step up from the BMPs the Ukrainians have been using so far.

    The experts have all been saying they are very good fit for the Ukrainians, as they are much easier to operate and maintain than tanks, are much less prone to having breakdowns of engines, turrets, tracks etc, run on diesel, and have decent protection and very good firepower. Bradleys destroyed more Iraqi tanks (like the T72 which is still the main tank the russians are using) than Abrams did. Plus it comes with nghtvision, something russia struggles with.

    Oh, and speaking of ammo shortages, russia milbloggers say that russia only has the capacity to manufacture 300k shells a year, and that they have been firing up to 100k over the span of a couple of days. And what is coming off the line often has defects. They say they need to manufacture millions of rounds a year, but that would require the general mobilisation of the entire economy, taking over civilian factories, and they probably lack the specialists to manage it anyway.

  13. #27413
    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    It won't because Ukraine will not agree to it, so if Ukraine attacks the Russians will as well.
    Ukraine isn't the aggressor here. Dunno why you are saying that Ukraine won't agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Ukraine isn't the aggressor here. Dunno why you are saying that Ukraine won't agree with it.
    Because Ukraine already rejected the ceasefire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Because Ukraine already rejected the ceasefire.
    The only reason Russia wants the ceasefire, is because they are moving more troops in an area they are losing.

  16. #27416
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Because Ukraine already rejected the ceasefire.
    Russia asking for a ceasefire isn’t about peace, it’s about giving Russia time to regroup and continue their aggression by breaking the ceasefire whenever it’s good for them.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

  17. #27417
    It was only meant to be for 36 hours over the orthodox Christmas, so there wasn't much time to do anything. But remember russia has never honoured a ceasefire before. The whole thing was a cynical ploy to try and paint Ukraine in a bad light for internal consumption. No doubt a few churches would mysteriously explode and russia would paint Ukraine as the violators of the ceasefire to try and drum up flagging support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    The only reason Russia wants the ceasefire, is because they are moving more troops in an area they are losing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Russia asking for a ceasefire isn’t about peace, it’s about giving Russia time to regroup and continue their aggression by breaking the ceasefire whenever it’s good for them.
    Yes, I am aware, y'all did see the question I responded to? Though 36 hours is not a lot of time to regroup and resupply and Ukraine would also have 36 hrs to do stuff unmolested.

    Edit: my first thought was also, as Corvus said, this is a trap of sorts, if Ukraine agrees it's good for russia a d if Ukraine does not agree it's also good for russia.
    Last edited by Iphie; 2023-01-06 at 05:17 AM.

  19. #27419
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Ukraine isn't the aggressor here. Dunno why you are saying that Ukraine won't agree with it.
    Not sure what you are getting at!

    Russia suggested that they both agreed to it which obviously were never going to happen.

  20. #27420
    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    Not sure what you are getting at!

    Russia suggested that they both agreed to it which obviously were never going to happen.
    I can guarantee that Russia didn't agree with it, they were just trying to move troops around thats it.

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