Russian invasion of Ukraine

[diller]

Yeah, because every other time they have tried to do that in the Ukraine war so far, they used it to move troops to reinforce areas they were losing. You don't like that I and others pointed that out.

I was just saying that Russia suggesting a ceasefire wouldn't work because Ukraine obviously wouldn't agree to it.

And for some reason you think I was defending Russia or dissing Ukraine, and you have been pestering me about it again and again because you misunderstood my post.

Please let it go already.

[Gabriel]

That's not christmas related anymore for a good hundred of years.

Rather than religious it's a secular traditional attribute of New Year celebration. It's not involved in Orthodox Christmas celebration.

I always thought it was just the orthodox version of Christmas.

[Corvus]

And right on queue, russia is saying it is observing the ceasefire right along the line (but aren't) while saying Ukraine is violating it.

[Iphie]

And right on queue, russia is saying it is observing the ceasefire right along the line (but aren't) while saying Ukraine is violating it.

I mean, that's pretty much par for the course in every war ever from all sides so I'm not actually reading too much into that.

If people didn't expect this then that's really on them.

[Cynical Asshole]

And right on queue, russia is saying it is observing the ceasefire right along the line (but aren't) while saying Ukraine is violating it.

A ceasefire requires all parties involved to agree to it. It doesn't work when one side just "orders" a ceasefire.

[Corvus]

Finland, Denmark and Poland have all reportedly said that they are willing to hand over Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine - they just need approval from Germany first. And politicians in Germany keep urging for it to but so far the Chancellor keeps holding off.

And in another show of their ingenuity, the Ukrainians have figured out how to fire NATO standard Sea Sparrow missiles from Soviet era BUK launchers.

[postman1782]

I was just saying that Russia suggesting a ceasefire wouldn't work because Ukraine obviously wouldn't agree to it.

And for some reason you think I was defending Russia or dissing Ukraine, and you have been pestering me about it again and again because you misunderstood my post.

Please let it go already.

There is no reason for Ukraine to follow it if Russia didn't care, fuck em.

[Collegeguy]

And right on queue, russia is saying it is observing the ceasefire right along the line (but aren't) while saying Ukraine is violating it.

Russia is like a serial rapist suggesting their victim stop struggling so they can get a respite for more rape later.

[diller]

There is no reason for Ukraine to follow it if Russia didn't care, fuck em.

My point exactly.

[postman1782]

My point exactly.

Yes, we know, Russians are dirty scumbag aggressors here. They should be broken up more after this bullshit.

[Crispin]

Imagine Hitler calling for a periodic truce when things went bad in 1942, pretty sure the Russians wouldnt have cared either.

It's amazing how Russians

1) lie and decepit constantly

2) thinks that the west gives a fuck about Russia, outside of "stay within your own borders"

[Iphie]

While this truce was of course a bit naff, I do want to point out that temporary truces for holidays aren't uncommon. So let's not act as is it's a completely ridiculous notion.

[Gorsameth]

If Russia had proposed a December Christmas trust in exchange for a January trust and actually abided by the December one they might have gotten it. But you can't bomb them on their holiday and then ask them to respect yours.

And Russia knew that when they asked.

[Rustedsaint]

While this truce was of course a bit naff, I do want to point out that temporary truces for holidays aren't uncommon. So let's not act as is it's a completely ridiculous notion.

Ukrainian had asked for truces on xmas and Easter while Russia said no
So yes it’s ridiculous

[Forogil]

Ukrainian had asked for truces on xmas and Easter while Russia said no
So yes it’s ridiculous

True, but there's also more to it.

The reason the Russian church celebrates Christmas at this time is that they are still using the Julian calendar (Russia outside of the church switched in 1918 after the revolutions of 1917); whereas large parts of Ukraine are now switching to celebrating Christmas with the rest of the world - despite the protests from the patriarch in Moscow that also blesses Russia's "special military operation".

So, even the Christmas-truce offer was part of Russia's vain imperial ambitions and Ukraine's rejection was part of their cultural move west-ward.

[Crispin]

While this truce was of course a bit naff, I do want to point out that temporary truces for holidays aren't uncommon. So let's not act as is it's a completely ridiculous notion.

A bilaterial truce like the ones seen in ww1 or the tet truces is one thing, it's another when an invading force is bitching about the defenders to not let them have their holiday truce. context matters.

[jonnysensible]

damn russians really love trying frontal assaults with no combined arms. Alot of cunts getting nooked.

[Breccia]

Russia plans to mobilize 500,000 soldiers in days. If they don’t deliver victory, then ‘Putin will collapse,’ says Ukrainian spy chief.

The Ukrainian military is warning that Putin is planning to mobilize up to half a million new troops in preparation for a new offensive in Ukraine.

Speaking to the German news site T-Online, Andriy Chernyak, a Ukrainian Military Intelligence Service representative, said that they believe the mobilization will be announced on January 15, after the Orthodox Christian Christmas.

Chernyak estimated 500,000 people would be mobilized, with those living in cities such as Moscow and St Petersburg to be most impacted.

Vadym Skibitsky, Ukraine's deputy military intelligence chief, said the recruits would be used in attacks that will begin in the spring in the east and south of Ukraine, reported the Evening Standard.

"We expect them to conduct offensives in Donetsk and Kharkiv regions, as well as possibly Zaporizhzhia but to defend in Kherson and Crimea, this is the number of men they will need for such a task," said Skibitsky.

"If Russia loses this time around, then Putin will collapse," said Skibitsky, according to reports.

The new infusion of manpower will massively increase the number of soldiers Russia has deployed in occupied Ukraine.

According to a Ukrainian official, there are currently 280,000 troops on the ground in Ukraine, per the Evening Standard.

A second mobilization has been discussed for months.

In November, Russian regional leaders wrote to Putin demanding he stops mobilizing reservists to fight in Ukraine.

Pro-Kremlin military bloggers in Russia have circulated claims that another mobilization will take place, according to the Institute of War.

Russia has dismissed reports that a second wave of mobilization was imminent and Putin claimed last month it was "pointless," reported The Guardian.

Russia's first mobilization in October of 300,000 soldiers was heavily criticized, with many mobilized soldiers being untrained, elderly, unwell, or too young to fight.

There have been reports of drunken brawls and indiscipline among the mobilized troops, with one recent incident resulting in the murder of a Russian military commander.

EDIT: I don't know why I went to the dot-nl site. Here is the dot-com link.

[Gaidax]

True, but there's also more to it.

The reason the Russian church celebrates Christmas at this time is that they are still using the Julian calendar (Russia outside of the church switched in 1918 after the revolutions of 1917); whereas large parts of Ukraine are now switching to celebrating Christmas with the rest of the world - despite the protests from the patriarch in Moscow that also blesses Russia's "special military operation".

So, even the Christmas-truce offer was part of Russia's vain imperial ambitions and Ukraine's rejection was part of their cultural move west-ward.

Orthodox Christmas celebration on 7th is not some Russian-only thing. It's an Orthodox church thing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-64194408

[Iphie]

A bilaterial truce like the ones seen in ww1 or the tet truces is one thing, it's another when an invading force is bitching about the defenders to not let them have their holiday truce. context matters.

Obviously truces need to be bilateral and I'm definitely not saying that the idea that this was going to happen without Ukrainian cooperation, but Holiday truces as such are not uncommon. As context matters, I thought I did not have to spell it out that I was speaking in general, russia offered, Ukraine declined, but that is only relevant for this particular moment.

Russia plans to mobilize 500,000 soldiers in days. If they don’t deliver victory, then ‘Putin will collapse,’ says Ukrainian spy chief.

EDIT: I don't know why I went to the dot-nl site. Here is the dot-com link.

Your original URL is .nl for some reason, anyway, mobilizing 500k men from St. Petersburg and Moscow seems like a very bad idea, for a variety of reasons.