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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    >competent
    >pulled out

    That is not how the Russian military works.
    I'm not saying he's all that competent, but a reasonably ordered retreat isn't necessarily incompetent in itself even though it involves ceding ground back.

    The former Russian positions on the right bank weren't really tenable with what having the Dnieper against their backs did to their supply situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Yeah I'm sure the Bradlys are the last thing we'll be sending over for a while as twenty psychopaths I've been assured multiple times are powerless fringe members of the republican party blackball any future Ukraine aid with whatever they blackmailed McCarthy with.
    The difference is that with Ukraine aid the more sane parts of the GoP can actually get support from the Democrats.
    The crazies can hold the Republican agenda hostage, but not a partisan one.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?
    Arrested and given to Wagner for their suicide missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?
    If the police/recruitment staff find you you get beaten and then shipped to the frontlines with minus whatever training you missed while trying to hide from the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    The difference is that with Ukraine aid the more sane parts of the GoP can actually get support from the Democrats.
    The crazies can hold the Republican agenda hostage, but not a partisan one.
    At which point at least one member of the Treason Caucus calls for a new speaker to be voted in.
    And we know how well that'll work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?
    In gamer terms, you would "Roll for anal circumference".
    Yes, it's a thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?
    It's a bit hard to ignore when you get the papers handed in person by the recruiters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    At which point at least one member of the Treason Caucus calls for a new speaker to be voted in.
    And we know how well that'll work out.
    Yes, it gets ignored because 1, or even 20, calling for a new speaker doesn't actually force a new speaker election.

    There used to be a rule that a majority vote could vacate the speaker position but I'm not sure that rule still exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    It's a bit hard to ignore when you get the papers handed in person by the recruiters.
    From what I understand from actual Russians you get the papers in person by recruiters+police yes but the papers are just instructing you to report to a place on such and such date. I assume he is talking about just not going there.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    In my country Greece where there is a forced conscription at age of 18, you can ignore them or even fake mental disabilities and avoid serving, it's really easy. Russian is much bigger, not sure how they control so many recruits considering that they don't look very organized either.

    From the looks of it, it seems too easy to die, the ratio of fire to defense is ridiculous, you are just a walking meat, not sure why you would accept joining this shit show. I'm not mjch into military and stuff but really is there any point of sacrificing people, what do they achieve? deplete bullets of the enemy? is it cost efficient? do they actually take anyone out before they die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    In my country Greece where there is a forced conscription at age of 18, you can ignore them or even fake mental disabilities and avoid serving, it's really easy. Russian is much bigger, not sure how they control so many recruits considering that they don't look very organized either.
    In Russia, if you are rich, you bribe either a doctor to give you a medical exemption, or directly bribe the recruitment officer to get out of military duty. If you are poor you get fucked in the ass literally and figuratively.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    From the looks of it, it seems too easy to die, the ratio of fire to defense is ridiculous, you are just a walking meat, not sure why you would accept joining this shit show. I'm not mjch into military and stuff but really is there any point of sacrificing people, what do they achieve? deplete bullets of the enemy? is it cost efficient? do they actually take anyone out before they die?
    Honey, this is Russia we are speaking of. Throwing bodies at a problem is the only strategy they know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    In Russia, if you are rich, you bribe either a doctor to give you a medical exemption, or directly bribe the recruitment officer to get out of military duty. If you are poor you get fucked in the ass literally and figuratively.
    Even worse when you have to buy your own equipment. Bulletproof vests, sleeping bags, winter clothes and boots, gotta buy it yourself. All you get is a one-size-fits-most uniform and a old gun that hopefully isn't too rusty to work, maybe some ammo if you're lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Yes, it gets ignored because 1, or even 20, calling for a new speaker doesn't actually force a new speaker election.
    Normally, that would be the case. But one of the rule changes that the Freedom Caucus forced Kevin McCarthy to adopt was that any single member can call for a vote to elect a new Speaker, and the Speaker must immediately do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Normally, that would be the case. But one of the rule changes that the Freedom Caucus forced Kevin McCarthy to adopt was that any single member can call for a vote to elect a new Speaker, and the Speaker must immediately do so.
    Seriously? How is that NOT delayed political self-unaliving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Seriously? How is that NOT delayed political self-unaliving?
    The GOP is actively destroying itself, yes.

    The rightmost wing of the Republican Party consists of extremists to such a degree it's not an exaggeration to call them fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Seriously? How is that NOT delayed political self-unaliving?
    The past several years, it's required a majority of the Speaker's party to initiate a vote for a new Speaker. The Freedom Caucus, naturally, wanted to the power to get rid of a Speaker who's insufficiently committed to their insanity. McCarthy tried to compromise at 5 votes (essentially, the Republican margin in the House). They refused, and thus... here we are. Personally, I fully expect him to be replaced before the term is over. I hope it will have been worth it for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    The past several years, it's required a majority of the Speaker's party to initiate a vote for a new Speaker. The Freedom Caucus, naturally, wanted to the power to get rid of a Speaker who's insufficiently committed to their insanity. McCarthy tried to compromise at 5 votes (essentially, the Republican margin in the House). They refused, and thus... here we are. Personally, I fully expect him to be replaced before the term is over. I hope it will have been worth it for him.
    I'm fairly certain you're being sarcastic here, but... I don't. I hope it crashes and burns right in his face and his political career is ruined forever. This absolute buffoon showed the whole world he was more interested in political power and a title than the welfare of the country. Handing over any power whatsoever to those traitors is just... disgusting.

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    One of the things that strikes me about this war, in a positive way, is that it shows exactly how important the EU is for Europeans.

    I’m not just talking economically, I’m thinking about the basic idea behind the EU. It was founded as a means to prevent a new war with eachother. This has clearly worker so very well, that many countries feel no qualms about donating their entire arsenal to Ukraine.

    That wouldn’t have been possible if these countries had even the slightest feeling they might get backstabbed by an “ally”, or some other powerblock simmering in the background. I think it’s fair to take a moment and think about how monumental this is.

    It’s also clear that this war has brought a new and powerful bond between Ukraine and Poland. It also put a rift between Poland and Hungary, leaving Hungary a lot weaker in its anti democratic behaviours.

    Sometimes it’s good to shine a light on the positives ^^

  18. #27518
    You can tell russia is scared of Ukraine receiving the Bradley and other advanced western gear - they have claimed to already have destroyed 4 Bradley's. Must have a super weapon that can shoot into the future given Ukraine hasn't even received them yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?
    You get arrested, and deployed anyway, since they are doing it to their prisoners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?
    Arrested and marched to a recruiting office.

    If you protest and not on the mobilization list, you get arrested and given your notice papers. If you're very (un)lucky you might get shoved into Wagner, where the pay is better but the chances of death are much higher.

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