Russian invasion of Ukraine

[postman1782]

What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?

You get arrested, and deployed anyway, since they are doing it to their prisoners.

[Kallisto]

What happens in Russia if you decline the army invitation to enlist and just stay home ignoring it?

Arrested and marched to a recruiting office.

If you protest and not on the mobilization list, you get arrested and given your notice papers. If you're very (un)lucky you might get shoved into Wagner, where the pay is better but the chances of death are much higher.

[Makabreska]

Arrested and marched to a recruiting office.

If you protest and not on the mobilization list, you get arrested and given your notice papers. If you're very (un)lucky you might get shoved into Wagner, where the pay is better but the chances of death are much higher.

They enlist randos to Wagner? Wasn't this group supposed to be at least a little bit more elite?

[Gabriel]

They enlist randos to Wagner? Wasn't this group supposed to be more elite?

Wanker SS gets paid per each piece of meat they send to the frontlines. What do you think the higher ups will go for, training fewer elite troops, or shipping every single person they get their hands on to the frontline?

[zealo]

They enlist randos to Wagner? Wasn't this group supposed to be at least a little bit more elite?

Wanker SS is conscripting out of prisons in Russia for suicidal attacks near Bakhmut, but that doesn't necessarily equate to that they're committing the part of their forces that's at least in theory supposed to be more "well trained" in that same fashion.

Their involvement in this war hasn't put a pause to what they're doing elsewhere, E.G being war criminals and general shitstains in Africa.

[Iphie]

E.G being war criminals and general shitstains in Africa.

This in particular makes African support for russia so galling, "They've not colonised us", bitch please, what do you think Wagner is doing?

[Vampiregenesis]

Can these mobiks guys who are placed into trenches kill anything? what is their job and why are they calling them mobilized? On every video they seem to die en masse without doing anything

[Gabriel]

Can these mobiks guys who are placed into trenches kill anything? what is their job and why are they calling them mobilized? On every video they seem to die en masse without doing anything

They have pretty good kill ratio when looking at suicide statistics.

[Corvus]

There are two parts to the Wanker SS. The first are the actual mercenaries, thought to number about 10,000. Mostly former military with some training. A lot are off playing Belgians in the Congo down in Africa, guarding the Prigs gold and diamond mines. Those in Ukraine are in the more specialist roles; armour, air, artillery.

The rest are the forcibly conscripted prisoners. They had numbered up to 40,000 but most are now gone. This thread of russian sources talks of the Wankers needing 25-30,000 new bodies to replace losses, but the flow from prisons has dried up - word has got back its a death sentence and they arent signing up anymore. They hope to raise penal battalions of refusniks in their place.

[jonnysensible]

Can these mobiks guys who are placed into trenches kill anything? what is their job and why are they calling them mobilized? On every video they seem to die en masse without doing anything

lots of the mobiks arent being used yet (or new conscripts 150kish being saved for a potential spring offensive). A few got thrown at the lines that needed shoring up and they have held.

its mainly wagner guys and whatever is left of the DNR/LNR forces going into the grinder. And they are at least achieving parity in terms of killing ukranians (largely seems to be artillery doing the numbers)

[Gorsameth]

Can these mobiks guys who are placed into trenches kill anything? what is their job and why are they calling them mobilized? On every video they seem to die en masse without doing anything

The wonder of guns, even completely untrained your a squeeze of the trigger and some luck away from killing a soldier with decades worth of training.

Which is why modern military tactics exist and why progress is slow.
They are not doing nothing, they are doing what they are supposed to do. Buy time.

[The Stormbringer]

Can these mobiks guys who are placed into trenches kill anything? what is their job and why are they calling them mobilized? On every video they seem to die en masse without doing anything

The wonder of guns, even completely untrained your a squeeze of the trigger and some luck away from killing a soldier with decades worth of training.

Which is why modern military tactics exist and why progress is slow.
They are not doing nothing, they are doing what they are supposed to do. Buy time.

This. While it's possible they'll all just be wiped off the map by vastly superior equipment and support, there's always a chance that guy with a gun can take out an enemy. That's why they use mass numbers, because eventually that chance adds up. It's unlikely to do much more than stall in this case, as Gorsameth here said, but they're desperate.

[Iphie]

This. While it's possible they'll all just be wiped off the map by vastly superior equipment and support, there's always a chance that guy with a gun can take out an enemy. That's why they use mass numbers, because eventually that chance adds up. It's unlikely to do much more than stall in this case, as Gorsameth here said, but they're desperate.

I know Stalin said: "Quantity has a quality all of its own", but most analysts and experts are not really adhering to that anymore.

Sure they'll do something but in a battlefield where St. HIMARS exists that quantity is relatively meaningless.

[The Stormbringer]

I know Stalin said: "Quantity has a quality all of its own", but most analysts and experts are not really adhering to that anymore.

Sure they'll do something but in a battlefield where St. HIMARS exists that quantity is relatively meaningless.

You are absolutely correct. As technology continues to advance, quantity that doesn't try keeping up with quality will eventually become pointless. The HIMARS aren't even the only example I'd use, another would be effective range of rifles and power of scopes. If your enemy can completely out-range you, then your numbers really don't matter.

[Yunru]

You are absolutely correct. As technology continues to advance, quantity that doesn't try keeping up with quality will eventually become pointless. The HIMARS aren't even the only example I'd use, another would be effective range of rifles and power of scopes. If your enemy can completely out-range you, then your numbers really don't matter.

Unless Russans start to blow up satelites. No gps = no rockets that can target you.

There is a good chance that russans will start using old katjusas and their ammo once they run out of high tech stuff and those can be realy hard to shot down due to mass. While short range, they can still cause a huge damage to structures and power grid.

[Kallisto]

They enlist randos to Wagner? Wasn't this group supposed to be at least a little bit more elite?

They have "elite" troops, but they're not wasting them in Ukraine. That's what CAR and other places are for. Keep your best in lower intensity conflict zones for then the push for power comes.

[Poopymonster]

Unless Russans start to blow up satelites. No gps = no rockets that can target you.

There is a good chance that russans will start using old katjusas and their ammo once they run out of high tech stuff and those can be realy hard to shot down due to mass. While short range, they can still cause a huge damage to structures and power grid.

I'm pretty sure blowing up the satellites of another country would count as an act of war.

[Yunru]

I'm pretty sure blowing up the satellites of another country would count as an act of war.

I dont think Putin cares any more .

[Makabreska]

I dont think Putin cares any more .

I think he actually does. I don't think he is dumb enough to trigger a global conflict. Russian "might" was fully exposed in the past year. All he now has are threats that are being treated less an less seriously.

[Iphie]

I'm pretty sure blowing up the satellites of another country would count as an act of war.

I'm also pretty sure that only China has, so far, shown the capability of actually hitting a satellite in orbit. I'm ALMOST certain russia cannot pull it off.