Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

So is that video of the skinny, beat up Wagner lad on Reddit with all the Nazi tattoo's legit?

I thought the Russians were supposed to be getting rid of the Nazi's? Either way the lad looks like he's been skipping meals, not sleeping, and got turned into a punching bag for a bit.

Russia has a lot of nazis. Far more than in the West. The tattoos are russian prison tattoos which have meanings, like rank and crimes he had performed. Saw some people explain what his meant, that he was a longterm druggie who had stabbed three cops among other things. That he surrendered shows he was probably smarter than your average russian, despite the drugs.

[Edge-]

Russia has a lot of nazis. Far more than in the West. The tattoos are russian prison tattoos which have meanings, like rank and crimes he had performed. Saw some people explain what his meant, that he was a longterm druggie who had stabbed three cops among other things. That he surrendered shows he was probably smarter than your average russian, despite the drugs.

BUT DID YOU SEE HIM, the lad looks like he would struggle to stab my grandmother in the condition he's in.

Stabbing some cops doesn't mean you're any good on the battlefield, and you'll probably end up beaten up, pinched, and shirtless like this dude. I promise Wagner isn't coming for you, there's no need to be afraid.

[YUPPIE]

They aren't getting near civilians

yeah no. That's all they're really getting at, actually. I've been following every Russian torture story in Ukraine since early June.

They have tortured and murdered thousands upon thousands of civilians collectively with the Russian army.

[Edge-]

I've been following every Russian torture story in Ukraine since early June.

No wonder you're in a seemingly constant state of panic and think that Wagner is just outside your house or something.

Stop that.

[YUPPIE]

No wonder you're in a seemingly constant state of panic and think that Wagner is just outside your house or something.

Stop that.

I think it's important to illustrate that this nation-wide torture and murdering is reality and it needs to be hammered in this is actually happening; it's not fiction. It's why Wikipedia doesn't really even bother filtering disturbing imagery of corpses and mild gore for instance: they want to show the world, no matter how ugly it is, this is real and what Russia is - what they are doing.

I don't stop following these stories and news because I feel like turning a blind eye would be avoiding this truth just to make myself feel better.

[Iphie]

Pfft, there is nothing special about the Wanker SS besides dying in vast numbers. They aren't getting near civilians because they are dying first. I've seen estimates that some 30k+ of them have been put out of action, out of 50k total and that the prison source of recruits has died out as word has got back it is a death sentence so nobody is volunteering anymore.

Last I read, 20k casualties to take Soledar, 40k total casualties/dead, the distinction is really barely there with Wanker, for a TOTAL of 2/3rds of the total force of Wanker. If the plan was to diminish Wanker as a threat to Putin they're on their way.

[Deus Mortis]

And the US has designated Wagner as a transnational criminal organisation. Calling them what they really are, a terrorist organisation, would be better, but its a start.

I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?

[Corvus]

I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?

If they were labelled as terrorists, possibly, but doubtful if they are just criminals. Not that I would be sad if they started to mysteriously start dropping dead in Africa.

[YUPPIE]

I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?

You're implying if US marines came into armed conflict with Wagner, it'd be a walk in the park with no casualties.

[Corvus]

You're implying if US marines came into armed conflict with Wagner, it'd be a walk in the park with no casualties.

Go read up on what happened in Syria when a lot of Wankers decided to take on a small number of US soldiers. It was a massacre.

[Kallisto]

I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?

They'd have to be really careful and smart about it if so (There needs to be plausible deniability when it happens, like during the cold war). But at the same time where they are based are basically in areas where at best they're indifferent to Russia and consider Ukraine as a "Ha Euros it's your fucking turn to have blood spilt." at worst they're all in on the Russian side and would be extremely hostile to a US presence.

Also the ones in Africa and Syria are the best the Wagner group has to offer. The owner is making sure his best are as far away from Ukraine as possible to protect the mines for minerals in the countries. Also likely waiting on a signal to return back to Russia if he thinks he could use them to launch a coup against Putin.

[Gabriel]

wagner is a threat, moreso than the Russian army.

I am distinguishing the two since, while it can be misinformation, there are increasingly circulating rumors Wagner is displeased with Putin and Russia. They're apparently in this for their own agendas now than out of loyalty to Putin. The eventual reality of a 3-way conflict aren't that far-fetched.

Please god let it be so.

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the threat Wagner poses is sending out these sorts of monsters on civilians x100 before they are killed off. A murderous, emaciated goblin leaning on Nazi ideologies would still terrify the average person.

I reiterate my earlier post: all russian soldiers are murderous rapists (except the good dead ones). One being in the Wanker doesn't make them any more threatening to civilians.

[Corvus]

After the Pantsir air defence system was spotted going up on the roof in Moscow the other day, a second one has been spotted being installed, this one close to pootie's residence.

That sounds less like fascist posturing of the enemy being weak but strong and more like paranoia creeping in, like pootie is half expecting trouble headed his way.

[LilSaihah]

Please god let it be so.

Maybe if it means everyone gtfos out of Ukraine. Russia can fuck its own shit up as much as it likes.
If it means Wagner and Russian forces are gonna be fighting in Ukraine... Not great.

I reiterate my earlier post: all russian soldiers are murderous rapists (except the good dead ones). One being in the Wanker doesn't make them any more threatening to civilians.

I'm worried I'm too much of a softy.
Mercs signed up for this, the military proper signed up for it, but the draftees don't deserve to get blown up.

[Iphie]

I'm worried I'm too much of a softy.
Mercs signed up for this, the military proper signed up for it, but the draftees don't deserve to get blown up.

Mercs, certainly, draftees don't always deserve the hate they get, and the military proper I'd look at it on a case by case as there are absolute assholes but also those who still try to do right while also doing their job.

But don't worry about being a softy, Gabriel here is a hardliner. Which I understand to be fair, but it's not a constructive stance.

[Vampiregenesis]

Germany seems to refuse to send tanks, are they afraid to become a target?

[Gabriel]

I'm worried I'm too much of a softy.
Mercs signed up for this, the military proper signed up for it, but the draftees don't deserve to get blown up.

They had their chance to surrender.

[KrayZ33]

Germany seems to refuse to send tanks, are they afraid to become a target?

I don't understand it either. It's absolutely dumb from Scholz to ask the US to send tanks as well. I have no idea why he thinks that's important.
Politically speaking, Germany is already a target/enemy of Russia.
Juridically speaking, Germany won't even be part of the conflict even IF it sends tanks and lets face it, Germany already sends other weapon systems that are just as powerful/dangerous
According to international law, sending tanks is also covered.

The only reason I can think of is, that he is scared that Ukraine will lose anyway and they reverse engineer the Leopard or something.
And of course since a majority of the population doesn't really want to send tanks (due to propaganda having an effect on them) he is scared of losing support.
Either way, I just don't understand how a multilateral exchange of tanks is any different from sending tanks directly... if it ever came down to ask who "escalated" the problem (or whatever), Germany would already be on the list. And there is nothing to be afraid of in the first place, because it's literally giving a sovereign state weapons to fight against a terrorist state.
Just like against IS etc. when Germany send a ship and fighter jets and even had soldiers on the ground.

[Gorsameth]

God knows whats going on with Scholtz. Somewhere between him being just a completely meek leader, a coward or a Russian sock puppet.

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Just like against IS etc. when Germany send a ship and fighter jets and even had soldiers on the ground.

That was Merkel no? That's the difference.

Germany lost a leader when she quit, and Scholtz clearly is not able to fill her shoes.

[jonnysensible]

That was Merkel no? That's the difference.

Germany lost a leader when she quit, and Scholtz clearly is not able to fill her shoes.

Scholtz promised continuity on being like Merkel and is living up to it when it comes to Russia. He is acting just like she did.

Bit rich to give him grief (which he does deserve) by framing him against Merkel (who deserves alot more grief)