1. #27821
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post

    Apparently there's some chatter about T-14's:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status...X3SXddWww&s=19
    They were meant to have built 2000 of them by now and have a handful of them. They are pretty much Potemkin tanks, for show and little else. At their parade last year they had three take part in the dress rehearsal but only two took part in the actual parade, so one of them appears to have broken down before it. There is a reason they haven't sent them, the same as why the SU-57 hasn't shown up. And their Terminator made one, brief appearance, came under artillery attack and ran away, never to be seen again. The russians can't put them in the field as they fail to live up to the hype.

    Scholz still not making a decision about the Leopards. There are protests outside the Bundestag demanding he Free the Leopards now. While waiting for Scholz to actually do anything, some of the other operators of Leopards have said that they are going to start training Ukrainians on how to operate them. Maybe by the time they are done Scholz will have made up his mind.

    And the US has designated Wagner as a transnational criminal organisation. Calling them what they really are, a terrorist organisation, would be better, but its a start.

  2. #27822
    in a major blow to Wagner, the US is set to declare it a transnational criminal organization and will impose additional sanctions next week against the group and its support network across the world, the White House said on Friday.

    “These actions recognize the transcontinental threat that Wagner poses, including through its ongoing pattern of serious criminal activity,” National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby told reporters on Friday, ahead of the Treasury Department announcement.
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  3. #27823
    So is that video of the skinny, beat up Wagner lad on Reddit with all the Nazi tattoo's legit?

    I thought the Russians were supposed to be getting rid of the Nazi's? Either way the lad looks like he's been skipping meals, not sleeping, and got turned into a punching bag for a bit.

  4. #27824
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So is that video of the skinny, beat up Wagner lad on Reddit with all the Nazi tattoo's legit?

    I thought the Russians were supposed to be getting rid of the Nazi's? Either way the lad looks like he's been skipping meals, not sleeping, and got turned into a punching bag for a bit.
    wagner is a threat, moreso than the Russian army.

    I am distinguishing the two since, while it can be misinformation, there are increasingly circulating rumors Wagner is displeased with Putin and Russia. They're apparently in this for their own agendas now than out of loyalty to Putin. The eventual reality of a 3-way conflict aren't that far-fetched.
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  5. #27825
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    wagner is a threat, moreso than the Russian army.
    Did you see that skinny little Nazi fuck?

    I'm not sure who exactly he's supposed to terrify. He looks like he just really wants his mom.

  6. #27826
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Did you see that skinny little Nazi fuck?

    I'm not sure who exactly he's supposed to terrify. He looks like he just really wants his mom.
    the threat Wagner poses is sending out these sorts of monsters on civilians x100 before they are killed off. A murderous, emaciated goblin leaning on Nazi ideologies would still terrify the average person.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-01-21 at 01:30 AM.
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  7. #27827
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    the threat Wagner poses is sending out these sorts of monsters on civilians x100 before they are killed off. A murderous, emaciated goblin leaning on Nazi ideologies would still terrify the average person.
    I wouldn't call you the "average person" what with all the times you've been scared by your own shadow.

  8. #27828
    Pfft, there is nothing special about the Wanker SS besides dying in vast numbers. They aren't getting near civilians because they are dying first. I've seen estimates that some 30k+ of them have been put out of action, out of 50k total and that the prison source of recruits has died out as word has got back it is a death sentence so nobody is volunteering anymore.

  9. #27829
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    the threat Wagner poses is sending out these sorts of monsters
    Again, did you see that scrawny little dude? I don't think you do so I'm not sure why you're so scared of him.

  10. #27830
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So is that video of the skinny, beat up Wagner lad on Reddit with all the Nazi tattoo's legit?

    I thought the Russians were supposed to be getting rid of the Nazi's? Either way the lad looks like he's been skipping meals, not sleeping, and got turned into a punching bag for a bit.
    Russia has a lot of nazis. Far more than in the West. The tattoos are russian prison tattoos which have meanings, like rank and crimes he had performed. Saw some people explain what his meant, that he was a longterm druggie who had stabbed three cops among other things. That he surrendered shows he was probably smarter than your average russian, despite the drugs.

  11. #27831
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia has a lot of nazis. Far more than in the West. The tattoos are russian prison tattoos which have meanings, like rank and crimes he had performed. Saw some people explain what his meant, that he was a longterm druggie who had stabbed three cops among other things. That he surrendered shows he was probably smarter than your average russian, despite the drugs.
    BUT DID YOU SEE HIM, the lad looks like he would struggle to stab my grandmother in the condition he's in.

    Stabbing some cops doesn't mean you're any good on the battlefield, and you'll probably end up beaten up, pinched, and shirtless like this dude. I promise Wagner isn't coming for you, there's no need to be afraid.

  12. #27832
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    They aren't getting near civilians
    yeah no. That's all they're really getting at, actually. I've been following every Russian torture story in Ukraine since early June.

    They have tortured and murdered thousands upon thousands of civilians collectively with the Russian army.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  13. #27833
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I've been following every Russian torture story in Ukraine since early June.
    No wonder you're in a seemingly constant state of panic and think that Wagner is just outside your house or something.

    Stop that.

  14. #27834
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    No wonder you're in a seemingly constant state of panic and think that Wagner is just outside your house or something.

    Stop that.
    I think it's important to illustrate that this nation-wide torture and murdering is reality and it needs to be hammered in this is actually happening; it's not fiction. It's why Wikipedia doesn't really even bother filtering disturbing imagery of corpses and mild gore for instance: they want to show the world, no matter how ugly it is, this is real and what Russia is - what they are doing.

    I don't stop following these stories and news because I feel like turning a blind eye would be avoiding this truth just to make myself feel better.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-01-21 at 02:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Pfft, there is nothing special about the Wanker SS besides dying in vast numbers. They aren't getting near civilians because they are dying first. I've seen estimates that some 30k+ of them have been put out of action, out of 50k total and that the prison source of recruits has died out as word has got back it is a death sentence so nobody is volunteering anymore.
    Last I read, 20k casualties to take Soledar, 40k total casualties/dead, the distinction is really barely there with Wanker, for a TOTAL of 2/3rds of the total force of Wanker. If the plan was to diminish Wanker as a threat to Putin they're on their way.

  16. #27836
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    And the US has designated Wagner as a transnational criminal organisation. Calling them what they really are, a terrorist organisation, would be better, but its a start.
    I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?

  17. #27837
    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?
    If they were labelled as terrorists, possibly, but doubtful if they are just criminals. Not that I would be sad if they started to mysteriously start dropping dead in Africa.

  18. #27838
    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?
    You're implying if US marines came into armed conflict with Wagner, it'd be a walk in the park with no casualties.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  19. #27839
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    You're implying if US marines came into armed conflict with Wagner, it'd be a walk in the park with no casualties.
    Go read up on what happened in Syria when a lot of Wankers decided to take on a small number of US soldiers. It was a massacre.

  20. #27840
    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    I wonder if this would allow us(USA) in sorta of a grey zone to kill them off in Africa where a lot of them are?
    They'd have to be really careful and smart about it if so (There needs to be plausible deniability when it happens, like during the cold war). But at the same time where they are based are basically in areas where at best they're indifferent to Russia and consider Ukraine as a "Ha Euros it's your fucking turn to have blood spilt." at worst they're all in on the Russian side and would be extremely hostile to a US presence.

    Also the ones in Africa and Syria are the best the Wagner group has to offer. The owner is making sure his best are as far away from Ukraine as possible to protect the mines for minerals in the countries. Also likely waiting on a signal to return back to Russia if he thinks he could use them to launch a coup against Putin.

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