1. #27841
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    wagner is a threat, moreso than the Russian army.

    I am distinguishing the two since, while it can be misinformation, there are increasingly circulating rumors Wagner is displeased with Putin and Russia. They're apparently in this for their own agendas now than out of loyalty to Putin. The eventual reality of a 3-way conflict aren't that far-fetched.
    Please god let it be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    the threat Wagner poses is sending out these sorts of monsters on civilians x100 before they are killed off. A murderous, emaciated goblin leaning on Nazi ideologies would still terrify the average person.
    I reiterate my earlier post: all russian soldiers are murderous rapists (except the good dead ones). One being in the Wanker doesn't make them any more threatening to civilians.

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    After the Pantsir air defence system was spotted going up on the roof in Moscow the other day, a second one has been spotted being installed, this one close to pootie's residence.

    That sounds less like fascist posturing of the enemy being weak but strong and more like paranoia creeping in, like pootie is half expecting trouble headed his way.

  3. #27843
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Please god let it be so.
    Maybe if it means everyone gtfos out of Ukraine. Russia can fuck its own shit up as much as it likes.
    If it means Wagner and Russian forces are gonna be fighting in Ukraine... Not great.

    I reiterate my earlier post: all russian soldiers are murderous rapists (except the good dead ones). One being in the Wanker doesn't make them any more threatening to civilians.
    I'm worried I'm too much of a softy.
    Mercs signed up for this, the military proper signed up for it, but the draftees don't deserve to get blown up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    I'm worried I'm too much of a softy.
    Mercs signed up for this, the military proper signed up for it, but the draftees don't deserve to get blown up.
    Mercs, certainly, draftees don't always deserve the hate they get, and the military proper I'd look at it on a case by case as there are absolute assholes but also those who still try to do right while also doing their job.

    But don't worry about being a softy, Gabriel here is a hardliner. Which I understand to be fair, but it's not a constructive stance.

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    Germany seems to refuse to send tanks, are they afraid to become a target?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    I'm worried I'm too much of a softy.
    Mercs signed up for this, the military proper signed up for it, but the draftees don't deserve to get blown up.
    They had their chance to surrender.

  7. #27847
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    Germany seems to refuse to send tanks, are they afraid to become a target?
    I don't understand it either. It's absolutely dumb from Scholz to ask the US to send tanks as well. I have no idea why he thinks that's important.
    Politically speaking, Germany is already a target/enemy of Russia.
    Juridically speaking, Germany won't even be part of the conflict even IF it sends tanks and lets face it, Germany already sends other weapon systems that are just as powerful/dangerous
    According to international law, sending tanks is also covered.

    The only reason I can think of is, that he is scared that Ukraine will lose anyway and they reverse engineer the Leopard or something.
    And of course since a majority of the population doesn't really want to send tanks (due to propaganda having an effect on them) he is scared of losing support.
    Either way, I just don't understand how a multilateral exchange of tanks is any different from sending tanks directly... if it ever came down to ask who "escalated" the problem (or whatever), Germany would already be on the list. And there is nothing to be afraid of in the first place, because it's literally giving a sovereign state weapons to fight against a terrorist state.
    Just like against IS etc. when Germany send a ship and fighter jets and even had soldiers on the ground.
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  8. #27848
    God knows whats going on with Scholtz. Somewhere between him being just a completely meek leader, a coward or a Russian sock puppet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Just like against IS etc. when Germany send a ship and fighter jets and even had soldiers on the ground.
    That was Merkel no? That's the difference.

    Germany lost a leader when she quit, and Scholtz clearly is not able to fill her shoes.
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  9. #27849
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post

    That was Merkel no? That's the difference.

    Germany lost a leader when she quit, and Scholtz clearly is not able to fill her shoes.
    Scholtz promised continuity on being like Merkel and is living up to it when it comes to Russia. He is acting just like she did.

    Bit rich to give him grief (which he does deserve) by framing him against Merkel (who deserves alot more grief)

  10. #27850
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    Scholtz promised continuity on being like Merkel and is living up to it when it comes to Russia. He is acting just like she did.

    Bit rich to give him grief (which he does deserve) by framing him against Merkel (who deserves alot more grief)
    I don't blame Merkel for being pro-Russia when basically everyone was. The whole point was to get Russia to behave by increasing economic ties.

    I'm fairly confident she would not be dithering now like Scholtz is after Russia made it so abundantly clear that it cannot be reasoned with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I don't blame Merkel for being pro-Russia when basically everyone was. The whole point was to get Russia to behave by increasing economic ties.

    I'm fairly confident she would not be dithering now like Scholtz is after Russia made it so abundantly clear that it cannot be reasoned with.
    Rumour has it that one of the reasons for the timing was that Merkel left office and that putin felt confident no europeans would oppose him. As said rumour, and I don't know how much stock to put in it but I do agree that Merkel probably would not have dithered as much as Scholtz does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I don't blame Merkel for being pro-Russia when basically everyone was. The whole point was to get Russia to behave by increasing economic ties.

    I'm fairly confident she would not be dithering now like Scholtz is after Russia made it so abundantly clear that it cannot be reasoned with.
    Well, I don't 100% agree, but at the very least she would understand that the reason the US doesn't send tanks is not because the US doesn't want to "escalate" this or doesn't want to "invest" as much into it. And I doubt she would have blocked or be so "quiet" about EU-allies wanting to send Leopards.
    Generally speaking, she has an easier time hitting the correct tone when she talks about stuff like this and can at the very least, make her position clear on this.
    I'm getting "nothing" from Scholz, I have no idea what he is thinking or about to do or why he does the things he does.
    I also feel like Merkel would have more capable people sitting next to her - bullshit like Lambrechts "5000 helmets"-scandal would never have been a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    Germany seems to refuse to send tanks, are they afraid to become a target?
    I don't know how Germany has it now, but I'm guessing it's the same story it has been from the beginning. Germany is too dependent on gas, specifically, from Russia.

    Beyond that, I doubt Germany is all that afraid. What is Russia going to do, send an angry letter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I don't know how Germany has it now, but I'm guessing it's the same story it has been from the beginning. Germany is too dependent on gas, specifically, from Russia.

    Beyond that, I doubt Germany is all that afraid. What is Russia going to do, send an angry letter?
    After the destruction of Nord Stream 1 and the cancellation of Nord stream 2 I sincerely doubt Germany is still on russia's teat. I *can* muster some sympathy for the scary optics of German tanks rolling towards russia, but that shouldn't be the deciding factor.

  15. #27855
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    After the destruction of Nord Stream 1 and the cancellation of Nord stream 2 I sincerely doubt Germany is still on russia's teat. I *can* muster some sympathy for the scary optics of German tanks rolling towards russia, but that shouldn't be the deciding factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Third time's the charm!
    As I said to a friend of min last Thursday: "I'm glad WWII went the way it did, but if it had gone otherwise we'd not have this headache right now. (and I'm not even talking about Germany winning, Operation Unthinkable would also work.)

  17. #27857
    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    I also feel like Merkel would have more capable people sitting next to her - bullshit like Lambrechts "5000 helmets"-scandal would never have been a thing.
    You overestimate Merkel then.

    A tongue in cheek joke about is that if she's learned anything from Kohl (the blob that governed germany for 16 years during the 80's and 90's) then it was how to sit out a political crisis.
    And the defense ministry job in germany was largely seen as a job that no one wanted because no one cared about the Bundeswehr.
    With military expertise also not being a big selling point for politicians in the last decades in germany, you can imagine that this position rarely went to a competent person.
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Beyond that, I doubt Germany is all that afraid. What is Russia going to do, send an angry letter?
    No idea whether it's just one reason but possibly a reason:

    This and next year, there will be 3 state elections in Saxiona, Brandenburg and Thuringia (all three were part of East Germany) where the established political parties are frankly facing a slaughter.
    AFD is damn strong and polls currently as the strongest party in 2 of the 3, which obviously drives a very pro Russia course.
    Weapon deliveries are also pretty unpopular in east germany, only like 30% are supporting deliveries to Ukraine.
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  18. #27858
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I don't know how Germany has it now, but I'm guessing it's the same story it has been from the beginning. Germany is too dependent on gas, specifically, from Russia.
    Germany is fully off russian gas now i believe.

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    So there is a video out there of a female russian tiktok propagandist who was filming herself somewhere in Ukraine when she copped a stray round. Lets just say she found out and was not happy about it. The general opinion seems to be it may even have been a friendly fire incident to top it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Germany is fully off russian gas now i believe.

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    So there is a video out there of a female russian tiktok propagandist who was filming herself somewhere in Ukraine when she copped a stray round. Lets just say she found out and was not happy about it. The general opinion seems to be it may even have been a friendly fire incident to top it off.
    So...did she get brained or just grazed?

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    Just grazed, but was squealing like a stuck pig.

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