1. #27901
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Like what? Blow him out of the sky? Assassinate him? Get a grip, russia doesn't want the UK in the war.
    Send their nuclear powered missile at him and have it chase his plane all over the world, keeping it in the air nearly indefinitely.

  2. #27902
    *Something about assassination a (former) Prime Minister being seen as a declaration of war and triggering article 5, followed by Russia no longer existing*

    Anyway its not really hard to realise why Ukraine likes him. They care about aid received, what a politician does as home is not a something they can about while Russian shells are landing in their homes. And that is a perfectly normal and valid priority considering the circumstances.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  3. #27903
    It's not just the fact Boris is visiting Kyiv. It's the fact he has pledged unwavering militaristic support to Kyiv and openly shit talks Putin every time he opens his mouth that makes him a genuine threat to Russia; while he hasn't outright said he should die, he has made so many statements along the lines of the world going in better places if he's "gone." The Russians have long threatened Boris with words, but not only doesn't he care, he mocks them for him.

    It compromises Russia's image of strength and intimidation, which is at the core of their being, when you look at other politicians. For instance, Scholz. We don't know what his deal in, but he's clearly reluctant or afraid of something regarding Russia. Same goes for Trump, etc.

    So moreso than Biden even, Boris stands out like a sore thumb.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  4. #27904
    Reforged Gone Wrong The Stormbringer's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Premium
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    ...location, location!
    Posts
    15,493
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Send their nuclear powered missile at him and have it chase his plane all over the world, keeping it in the air nearly indefinitely.
    I'm imagining a scene with Yakety Sax playing in the background.

  5. #27905
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Boris Johnson made another stealthy visit to Kyiv.

    There's a disparity between how UK people seem to hate this guy like he's Trump, but Ukrainians - especially civilians - love him.
    Boris is trying to distract from yet more problems with his finances at home so no surprise to see him pop up in Kyiv again and say the things they want to hear so he can get some love.

  6. #27906
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    It's not difficult to understand at all. Reiterating Russians have ideals of strength imprinted into their very being: if you're wounded, dying, or otherwise no longer in a position to fight in a war, you have proven your "weakness" and only the strong move forward.

    Social Darwinism, the weak being left behind, so on. That's what Russians believe in.
    They sure think differently I agree on that but that shit you posted was hauled out of your ass - they are not that different from every other human being despite their morals are a bit different.
    Last edited by diller; 2023-01-23 at 12:44 AM.

  7. #27907
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Boris Johnson made another stealthy visit to Kyiv.

    There's a disparity between how UK people seem to hate this guy like he's Trump, but Ukrainians - especially civilians - love him. And on another note, given how Boris has made the most frequent visits to Kyiv of any major politician, I am surprised Russia hasn't tried to do something about him.
    Bojo goes to Ukraine every time something comes up in the UK to try to distract https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64362640 . It's nothing but a political ploy by someone who was until February last year clearly getting funds from certain Russian groups with how he pushed through Brexit and other things which benefitted no one outside of the Kremlin. Ukraine for the British government is a distraction, that yes Ukrainians benefit from, but there's no way the UK would be so gun ho about it like it was a Baltic state if the Tories were not looking for distractions and anything else to hide their corruption and incompetence.

  8. #27908
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    It's not just the fact Boris is visiting Kyiv. It's the fact he has pledged unwavering militaristic support to Kyiv and openly shit talks Putin
    Not sure if you got the news yet - he is no longer the Prime Minister, he can't pledge anything anymore.

  9. #27909
    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    They sure think differently I agree on that but that shit you posted was hauled out of your ass - they are not that different from every other human being despite their morals are a bit different.
    I think most people would beg to differ. Russians have a very supremacist mindset at large and are driven by feelings of envy. Concepts like social Darwinism are not above them given how Stalinism is ingrained into Russian culture.

    I've been hearing plenty of NSFL comms that, at the least, illustrate the average Russian soldier's rage at Ukrainians supposedly living the high-life compared to what they get.

    "A bit different" would be an understatement.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  10. #27910
    The Lightbringer Iphie's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Suomi/Nederland
    Posts
    3,001
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I think most people would beg to differ. Russians have a very supremacist mindset at large and are driven by feelings of envy. Concepts like social Darwinism are not above them given how Stalinism is ingrained into Russian culture.

    I've been hearing plenty of NSFL comms that, at the least, illustrate the average Russian soldier's rage at Ukrainians supposedly living the high-life compared to what they get.

    "A bit different" would be an understatement.
    If you knew anything about the relationship between Stalin and Darwin you'd not make those statements. Look up Lysenkoism. (I know base Darwinism and Social Darwinism are different things.)

  11. #27911
    Void Lord Breccia's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    NY, USA
    Posts
    40,111
    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    They sure think differently I agree on that but that shit you posted was hauled out of your ass
    Yes, but he's still the second most obvious Russian, erm, "propaganda enthusiast" today. Wanna see who's first?

    With their decisions, Washington and Brussels are leading the world to a terrible war: to a completely different military action than today, when strikes are carried out exclusively on the military and critical infrastructure used by the Kyiv regime.

    Given the technological superiority of Russian weapons, foreign politicians making such decisions need to understand that this could end in a global tragedy that will destroy their countries.
    That's Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of Russia's lower house of parliament. That's him basically saying that, if the US provides weapons to Ukraine to kill citizens -- yes, which you saw him claim Russia is totally not doing nyet comrade nyet -- that Russia would use their superior nukes, and destroy the USA.

    So, basically, everything about that is laughable, if it weren't for, you know, all the Russians murdering Ukrainian civilians in the streets.

    This statement is probably done for two reasons. One, of course, is to keep spraying lethal levels of dishonesty on the Russian people to keep them from, oh I don't know, rebelling against the government that's shipping them to their pointless deaths and dragging Volodin into the street and executing him. But he's also probably trying to scare off Germany. Germany has been hesitant, but has more recently indicated they would be more likely send Leopard tanks if the US sent Abrams first. I'm not 100% sure how the US would give another country some tanks without tools, parts, and crew to keep them up and running, and so far, the US hasn't done it.

    But that time might be coming. Bipartisan US legislative support has been openly voiced for shipping exactly these tanks, especially if it gets Germany into the mix.

    So under the assumption this actually happens, Russia will have a choice to make. See, this is where game theory comes in. Russia has already spent a lot of resources to get their ass kicked in public. If Ukraine gets thicker, heavier boots to kick with, staying there and losing even worse doesn't seem like a valid option. They'll have to back off, or escalate. I just don't see Ukraine negotiating for anything other than "fuck right off".

    Is seeing your neighbors supposedly living a better quality of life than you have, worth starting a nuclear armageddon that will ensure you spend your last 0.0001 second of existence as a screaming mass of sun-hot particles? No. Russia starting a nuclear war because the US and others send tanks to Ukraine, a war they were already losing, is so insane and suicidal that I don't see even Putin's supporters going through with it.

    Ukraine and its increasing number of allies need to take steps to make sure Russia doesn't get any realistic measure of victory. Putin's problems get worse and worse the longer the war he's losing remains unpopular. If, hypothetically, he wants to take as much armor as possible, Control-A and shift-click on Ukraine, it will help if German and American tanks are already there. Everyone in this thread already knows what spring thaw mud does to tanks, so, there's a time limit on this.

  12. #27912
    Russia has threatened nuclear retaliation wayyy more than just today up from the last time it was seriously discussed here, but my stance is until they actually drop them, there's not much to say about it anymore - nor take it seriously based on the frequency of said threats. The US has not stopped supporting Ukraine at all despite these threats, nor has it wavered anyway.

    Although I'd like to mention Republicans were spamming ads late last year that said Biden is going to lead us down the path of armageddon by supporting Kyiv. It's hard to find that ad archived now, but I'm sure some of you saw it playing on TV or some media player. Pretty treacherous/suspicious of them, and the audacity as well.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  13. #27913
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Russia has threatened nuclear retaliation wayyy more than just today up from the last time it was seriously discussed here, but my stance is until they actually drop them, there's not much to say about it anymore - nor take it seriously based on the frequency of said threats. The US has not stopped supporting Ukraine at all despite these threats, nor has it wavered anyway.

    Although I'd like to mention Republicans were spamming ads late last year that said Biden is going to lead us down the path of armageddon by supporting Kyiv. It's hard to find that ad archived now, but I'm sure some of you saw it playing on TV or some media player. Pretty treacherous/suspicious of them, and the audacity as well.
    I thought your stance was, that until ruZZia nukes, you'll say nothing at all. And only then would you be back to say "i told you so".
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

    Last edited by Thwart; Today at 05:21 PM. Reason: Infracted for flaming
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  14. #27914
    Ukraine even prior to this invasion was, put simply, corrupt as fuck right?

    Because Zelenksy acknowledged corruption today, promised reform, and reading into all of it is frankly horrifying.

    Was Russia the cause of all this, or did Ukraine itself have its own internal issues independent of Russia?
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  15. #27915
    The corruption was left over from when it was in russia's sphere, back before they cut those ties. They have been working on it as there are benchmarks they need to meet to integrate into the European community.

    Every country has some level of corruption, but few match russia's level.

  16. #27916
    Zelensky was voted in partly on the back of being anti corruption and criticising people with secret offshore assets, but the Pandora papers revealed he owned a stake in an offshore company that he transferred to a mate shortly before becoming president, plus he had his fingers in several other offshore pies. People don't want to mention it for fear of being painted as sympathisers of Russia, plus of course the Ukrainian establishment has other more important things to worry about right now. Actual Russia sympathisers will seek to use it for propaganda purposes, which is amusing, seeing as Putin and his cronies are about as corrupt as they come.

  17. #27917
    The Unstoppable Force Gaidax's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Israel
    Posts
    21,027
    As someone who lived in Ukraine of 90s, you bet it was corrupt as fuck and still is plenty corrupt.

    90s were wild times and the most corrupt and shrewd "businessmen" of 90s if you could call it that are nowadays in various positions of power in the system either directly or indirectly.

    It's a plague that will take decades to root out. You need another generation to pass for people to start rooting out the culture of corruption ex-Soviet countries are plagued with.


    To Ukraine's credit at least they are trying to change. As opposed to Russia that is regressing.

  18. #27918
    Over 9000! zealo's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    9,528
    That's one of the areas where their EU membership aspirations may push things in the right direction.

    That they'll have a carrot of what that can do their country economically dangling in front of them, and it's not like they'll be let in before that situation improves an absolute ton anyway.

  19. #27919
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Fuck no. Every delay or the longer this drags on, this keeps piling up.

    There's nothing good about this dragging on for Ukraine. Because as you know, even if victory seems improbable to the Russians, they'll keep committing these atrocities for the sake of it.
    Which is why we must help them kill more russians faster.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Hopefully they change their minds about that soon.
    With the latest events: not happening.

    Seems like we and Swedes must kiss our NATO membership goodbye for as long as Turkey is a member.
    Last edited by Lahis; 2023-01-23 at 04:10 PM.

  20. #27920
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post

    With the latest events: not happening.

    Seems like we and Swedes must kiss your NATO membership goodbye for as long as Turkey is a member.
    I want to build a time machine so I can slap the shit out of every retard that ever uttered the words "NATO option".

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •