Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

So it seems like Russia has responded to the tanks being delivered; I mentioned last page I was excited about their impending response. And well, it's not much of anything compared to when Lavrov declared Russia was at open war with the US a week ago

Russia has hit out at the US and Germany as the countries prepare to send more tanks to Ukraine. Washington is expected to announce the delivery of dozens of M1 Abrams battle tanks, Reuters reports, while Germany has finally agreed to offer its Leopard 2 tanks after weeks of uncertainty.

Writing on the Russian Embassy to the US' Telegram, ambassador Anatoly Antonov accused Washington and Berlin of a "blatant provocation."

He said: "It is obvious that Washington is purposefully trying to inflict a strategic defeat on us.

"If the United States decides to supply tanks, then justifying such a step with arguments about 'defensive weapons' will definitely not work. This would be another blatant provocation against the Russian Federation."

[Iphie]

Gotta admit though, that headlien is hilarious:

Russia fumes NATO 'trying to inflict defeat on us' after tanks sent to Ukraine

No shit Sherlock.

[Elder Millennial]

He said: "It is obvious that Washington is purposefully trying to inflict a strategic defeat on us.

Washington's response.



Has this only dawned upon the Russians now?

[Kallisto]

The thing about the Abrams is that while it's been agreed, getting them there and having logistical support for them could take until 2024 to actually set up and have running, also they likely have to have some top-secret-level equipment removed. This is before the months of training (which can start now) take into effect. This is more "We're in it for the long haul" announcement than anything material in the near or mid-term.

[YUPPIE]

so zelenksy has also responded, and it kind of pisses me off somewhat. This is supposed to be great news for Ukraine, but he more or less says "that's nice and all, but we need more and it to be quicker so chop chop."

There was a discussion about how he is vocally becoming more irritable and entitled two pages ago, so I guess this could be considered a follow-up on that

[ghotihook]

So it seems like Russia has responded to the tanks being delivered; I mentioned last page I was excited about their impending response. And well, it's not much of anything compared to when Lavrov declared Russia was at open war with the US a week ago

Russia has hit out at the US and Germany as the countries prepare to send more tanks to Ukraine. Washington is expected to announce the delivery of dozens of M1 Abrams battle tanks, Reuters reports, while Germany has finally agreed to offer its Leopard 2 tanks after weeks of uncertainty.

Writing on the Russian Embassy to the US' Telegram, ambassador Anatoly Antonov accused Washington and Berlin of a "blatant provocation."

He said: "It is obvious that Washington is purposefully trying to inflict a strategic defeat on us.

"If the United States decides to supply tanks, then justifying such a step with arguments about 'defensive weapons' will definitely not work. This would be another blatant provocation against the Russian Federation."

Well no shit, nobody is stupid enough to think we have sent all this equipment out of the goodness of our hearts. This is literally the best way the US can not only test the skill and power of Russia, but also the relevance of both old and new tech without a single loss of our own.

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so zelenksy has also responded, and it kind of pisses me off somewhat. This is supposed to be great news for Ukraine, but he more or less says "that's nice and all, but we need more and it to be quicker so chop chop."

There was a discussion about how he is vocally becoming more irritable and entitled two pages ago, so I guess this could be considered a follow-up on that

When thousands of your people are dying every week nothing is fast enough. I see no issue with how he is addressing this.

[Gabriel]

so zelenksy has also responded, and it kind of pisses me off somewhat. This is supposed to be great news for Ukraine, but he more or less says "that's nice and all, but we need more and it to be quicker so chop chop."

There was a discussion about how he is vocally becoming more irritable and entitled two pages ago, so I guess this could be considered a follow-up on that

Correction: you tried to make it an issue and everyone else told you to shut up.

[YUPPIE]

I see no issue with how he is addressing this.

I see a certain issue with this instance in particular. Given how reluctant and ticked off Schol was, Zelenksy subtly criticizing/tearing him down for his "slowness" after he finally ceded is kind of rude. Not to mention he essentially told the world stage that such behavior like that is unacceptable and innocent blood will be their hands, so unless you want to be complicit in that, don't think twice.

[ghotihook]

I see a certaim issue with this instance in particular. Given how reluctant and ticked off Schol was, Zelenksy subtly criticizing/tearing him down for his "slowness" after he finally ceded is kind of rude.

Yes YOU and only you. As Gabriel said, nobody agreed with you.

[Gorsameth]

so zelenksy has also responded, and it kind of pisses me off somewhat. This is supposed to be great news for Ukraine, but he more or less says "that's nice and all, but we need more and it to be quicker so chop chop."

There was a discussion about how he is vocally becoming more irritable and entitled two pages ago, so I guess this could be considered a follow-up on that

because 10 tanks are not going to make a meaningful impact.

[YUPPIE]

because 10 tanks are not going to make a meaningful impact.

If it's not going to make an impact, I don't think Russia would be fuming like they are now. Hence why it should be great news.

[No Kings Voter]

The Doomsday Clock being closer now than it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis is a dire warning of how dumb the Doomsday Clock is.

[Gorsameth]

If it's not going to make an impact, I don't think Russia would be fuming like they are now. Hence why it should be great news.

Because its not going to be limited to 10. Now that the 'taboo' is gone more are following. That is what Zelenksy is asking for and that is why Russia is mad.

[YUPPIE]

Because its not going to be limited to 10. Now that the 'taboo' is gone more are following. That is what Zelenksy is asking for and that is why Russia is mad.

makes sense. But still, do you think he should be able to tell people to hurry their asses up when most of the world is already by his side

[Gorsameth]

makes sense. But still, do you think he should be able to tell people to hurry their asses up when most of the world is already by his side

When his people are dying every day. Yes...

[zealo]

so zelenksy has also responded, and it kind of pisses me off somewhat. This is supposed to be great news for Ukraine, but he more or less says "that's nice and all, but we need more and it to be quicker so chop chop."

There was a discussion about how he is vocally becoming more irritable and entitled two pages ago, so I guess this could be considered a follow-up on that

And Zelensky is wholly right on wanting things to move along more, Ukraine needs the ability to do a major offensive spearheaded by armour to completely puncture Russian lines, even when the Russians are not doing the same sort of mistakes they did near Kharkiv.

It isn't without reason that they've been asking for MBTs to accompany the IFVs already pledged.

[YUPPIE]

When his people are dying every day. Yes...

Also, when I said "hurry their asses off" there was no hyperbole.

Off the topic of the battles themselves for a moment and observing their commander for a moment: Zelenksy rarely, if ever, cracks a smile nowadays. He always has a grim and very stern expression, and his tone is one that is never jovial. He still cracks jokes now and then, but it's very dry sarcasm. Most of the time he's pretty pissed and curt even with his allies and benefactors.

[Kallisto]

The Doomsday Clock being closer now than it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis is a dire warning of how dumb the Doomsday Clock is.

Not really the clock doesn't move outside of two points of the year. If it was constant it would have shoved itself seconds to midnight. It's less the clock is dumb, it's more most people don't know what it actually means and media love to headline it with clickbaity articles.

[Gabriel]

Also, when I said "hurry their asses off" there was no hyperbole.

Off the topic of the battles themselves for a moment and observing their commander for a moment: Zelenksy rarely, if ever, cracks a smile nowadays. He always has a grim and very stern expression, and his tone is one that is never jovial. He still cracks jokes now and then, but it's very dry sarcasm. Most of the time he's pretty pissed and curt even with his allies and benefactors.

Yes, and?..

[Twdft]

Zelenksy rarely, if ever, cracks a smile nowadays. He always has a grim and very stern expression, and his tone is one that is never jovial. He still cracks jokes now and then, but it's very dry sarcasm. Most of the time he's pretty pissed and curt even with his allies and benefactors.

Imagine that... a man tasked with organizing the defense of his country which is under attack for almost a year now, his people dying every day... doesn't crack a smile. What is he thinking.