Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kallisto]

Damn Germans and their beer...

So the Ukrainians will have a choice of beer with Leopards, Tea with Challengers or whatever they put in Abrams.

[Corvus]

So the Ukrainians will have a choice of beer with Leopards, Tea with Challengers or whatever they put in Abrams.

Moonshine.

[Kaleredar]

Moonshine.

It doubles as backup fuel for the tanks in a pinch, I'm sure.

[Corvus]

It doubles as backup fuel for the tanks in a pinch, I'm sure.

I believe the Abram's can run on damn near anything if needed, but it isn't a good thing for it to do so.

[Breccia]

whatever they put in Abrams.

M830A1 rounds.

Don't worry -- we'll be putting those into Russian tanks, too.

[Elder Millennial]

Moonshine.

Mountain Dew.

[Iphie]

I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".

[Forogil]

I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".

It's almost back at the beginning - you could make a loop out of that!

[YUPPIE]

There was a lot to wake up to today morning. Russians (non-officials) abroad clamor for an all-out war with the West now, with some of them standing united at sports rallies like the Australian open, while Russian officials have escalated their rhetoric claiming that the West is now fully involved with the war.

Again though, all this has incited is disgust than fear.

[Kralljin]

I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".

I mean, i get comparison between Nazi Germany and Russia, but the reliance on horses instead of mechanization is a bit of a surprise.

[Elder Millennial]

I mean, i get comparison between Nazi Germany and Russia, but the reliance on horses instead of mechanization is a bit of a surprise.

Horses and donkeys still have military applications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfpx...MarineServices

They are still often the only means of transportation in certain places where wheeled or tracked vehicles just can't go. After Afghanistan the US military started using them again.

[Kralljin]

Horses and donkeys still have military applications.

It was more to poke fun at the fact that the Wehrmacht still heavily relied on horses, despite the popular image of it being fully mechanized.

[YUPPIE]

Russians not invited to Auschwitz camp liberation commemoration

Why is this a big deal? Well, they were always invited before, and this is more or less saying "you're a Nazi." The Russians are already raging at the implications and disrespect.

[Iphie]

Russians not invited to Auschwitz camp liberation commemoration

Why is this a big deal? Well, they were always invited before, and this is more or less saying "you're a Nazi." The Russians are already raging at the implications and disrespect.

If russia wants to participate in the normal world again it's really quite simple:

-Withdraw.
-Apologize.
-Pay,

Bonus:

-deliver putin, prighozin, Lavrov, Shoigu, Gerasimov et al. to the Hague. (I mean the bonus is the grand prize and won't happen but the other demands are achievable.)

[YUPPIE]

If russia wants to participate in the normal world again it's really quite simple

no, it's not simple.

Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.

[Huehuecoyotl]

no, it's not simple.

Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.

Nobody forced the Russians to fuck around. They are already well into their find out phase, and eventually they are going to have to accept that the conditions of their surrender are not going to be up to them. They are going to be presented to a bunch of things they have to agree to, and they'll be going "da, da, da" like a 1980s German pop band tribute act.

[zealo]

no, it's not simple.

Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.

The alternative Russia has is becoming a north korean style pariah of a state in it's relations with the west without at least some attempt to acknowledge wrongdoing.

Those Ruskies better be looking forward to the prospects of being a Chinese vassal.

[Iphie]

no, it's not simple.

Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.

Did I lay out a timeframe? No, no I did not, in other words: I never said it would be an immediate return to normalcy, it'll take time, but what I said is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM what needs to happen to be considered back into humanity.

[YUPPIE]

it'll take time

And reiterating: sadly the Russians find that unacceptable, as well as apologizing. At best if they want to indeed make reparations and get back into the civilized world, as you say, they expect compensation in the form of that return being immediate than 50-100 years.

People should recognize while there are some Russian detractors, the vast majority of Russians support this war and Putin. Even abroad.

[Elder Millennial]

People should recognize while there are some Russian detractors, the vast majority of Russians support this war and Putin. Even abroad.

HIGHLY DEBATABLE.

Frankly we have absolutely no idea just how popular this war really is with Russians or whether Russians actually support Putin or not.

Do not confuse apathetic consent with endorsement. The Russian people especially inside Russia seem to be utterly unwilling to dissent with the state, even if they personally disagree with something the state does. For example they might not protest the war and keep their heads down, but will try and dodge the draft through bribes, leaving the country or by breaking their own legs. They might still end up on the front lines, but not out of some deep desire to serve the motherland, but rather because they just couldn't dodge the draft.

I couldn't find any up to date or more recent articles, but the Russian diaspora seems to be largely skeptical of the war.

https://theconversation.com/the-russ...ukraine-178623

Now whether the Russians oppose the war out of empathy for Ukraine's right to self determination or because how the war affects them personally (job loss, being judged, getting conscripted etc) is an entirely different question.