1. #28081
    Quote Originally Posted by Airlick View Post
    If Russia falls apart peacefully, basically like Soviet Union
    This is a misconception. The Soviet Union didn't fall apart peacefully. While the Baltics, Belarus and Ukraine (in hindsight, the latter two examples are debateable) separated mostly freely, many of the Asian and Caucuses Republics went to war with each other almost immediately and Moldova and Georgia got pro-Russian breakaway regions and civil war/unrest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_conflicts

    The Soviet collapse was anything but peaceful. Even Russia had a failed coup that was one bad day and one corrupt Defense Minister having a brief moment of conscience away from turning into a civil war.

    The real concern is having various breakaway Republics with nukes, run by loons like Khadyrov, who might just end up nuking each other for some latent 300 year old ethnic conflict and an inability to agree on who makes better vodka and hates the gays more.

    This is the problem with both the USSR and Russia. They weren't and aren't federated countries or supernational unions like the US or the EU. They were and are colonial empires where the borders, infrastructure, local politics, cultural and religious ties are not truly representative of the administrative structure the Russians imposed upon their empire.

    The Ukraine war is in reality just a 18 to 20th century colonial war transplanted into the 21st century. The most striking parallels would probably be that of the Franco-Algerian war.
    Last edited by Elder Millennial; 2023-01-26 at 12:21 AM.

  2. #28082
    That is exactly why Putin's life's goal is to restore that empire by reabsorbing all the former Soviet states and be remembered as the greatest Russian leader ever. Peter the Great 2.0 by his own words.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I'm wondering what Russia's response to this will be
    I think it's against forum rules to just reply with meme images, so I'll type it out and you can imagine the shrugging old man:

    "I guess I'll just die."

  4. #28084
    Russia has further responded to the tanks being delivered, citing them it a foolish waste of money on the West's part, and that Russia will easily destroy them

    Jan 25 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Wednesday that any Abrams battle tanks supplied to Ukraine by the United States would "burn", dismissing the expected delivery as an expensive folly.

    U.S. officials told Reuters on Tuesday that Washington was poised to send dozens of its M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing its previous position. The report comes after Germany looked set to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine after initially resisting the request.

    Speaking at a daily briefing with reporters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that while the Abrams shipments were not confirmed, they would be a waste of money.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rce=reddit.com
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  5. #28085
    Russia are down almost 1700 tanks confirmed lost, not to mention thousands of other vehicles, numerous planes, helicopters and ships, worth 10s of billions of dollars. Some of their missile waves have cost hundreds of millions.

    - - - Updated - - -

    In less than a year, pootie has destroyed an energy business that took 3 generations to build.

    https://archive.md/ugkWW

  6. #28086
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Russia has further responded to the tanks being delivered, citing them it a foolish waste of money on the West's part, and that Russia will easily destroy them

    Jan 25 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Wednesday that any Abrams battle tanks supplied to Ukraine by the United States would "burn", dismissing the expected delivery as an expensive folly.

    U.S. officials told Reuters on Tuesday that Washington was poised to send dozens of its M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing its previous position. The report comes after Germany looked set to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine after initially resisting the request.

    Speaking at a daily briefing with reporters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that while the Abrams shipments were not confirmed, they would be a waste of money.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rce=reddit.com
    Russia can't even defend their own tanks, they are getting owned so easily, hell, do they even have an air force in that area anymore?

  7. #28087
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    On the subject of superior Western tank tech, this is how impressive the gun stabilisers are on the Leopard.

    Damn Germans and their beer...

  8. #28088
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Damn Germans and their beer...
    The Germans didn't realise 'hold my beer' was a saying, not an order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    In less than a year, pootie has destroyed an energy business that took 3 generations to build.

    https://archive.md/ugkWW
    Early estimates predicted that this little foray into Ukraine would set Russia back a decade's worth of progress. And that estimate was formulated months ago. I can only imagine what that looks like now.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  10. #28090
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Damn Germans and their beer...
    So the Ukrainians will have a choice of beer with Leopards, Tea with Challengers or whatever they put in Abrams.

  11. #28091
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    So the Ukrainians will have a choice of beer with Leopards, Tea with Challengers or whatever they put in Abrams.
    Moonshine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Moonshine.
    It doubles as backup fuel for the tanks in a pinch, I'm sure.
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  13. #28093
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    It doubles as backup fuel for the tanks in a pinch, I'm sure.
    I believe the Abram's can run on damn near anything if needed, but it isn't a good thing for it to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    whatever they put in Abrams.
    M830A1 rounds.

    Don't worry -- we'll be putting those into Russian tanks, too.

  15. #28095
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Moonshine.
    Mountain Dew.

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    I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".

  17. #28097
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".
    It's almost back at the beginning - you could make a loop out of that!

  18. #28098
    There was a lot to wake up to today morning. Russians (non-officials) abroad clamor for an all-out war with the West now, with some of them standing united at sports rallies like the Australian open, while Russian officials have escalated their rhetoric claiming that the West is now fully involved with the war.

    Again though, all this has incited is disgust than fear.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

  19. #28099
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".
    I mean, i get comparison between Nazi Germany and Russia, but the reliance on horses instead of mechanization is a bit of a surprise.

  20. #28100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I mean, i get comparison between Nazi Germany and Russia, but the reliance on horses instead of mechanization is a bit of a surprise.
    Horses and donkeys still have military applications.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfpx...MarineServices

    They are still often the only means of transportation in certain places where wheeled or tracked vehicles just can't go. After Afghanistan the US military started using them again.

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