1. #28101
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Horses and donkeys still have military applications.
    It was more to poke fun at the fact that the Wehrmacht still heavily relied on horses, despite the popular image of it being fully mechanized.

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    Russians not invited to Auschwitz camp liberation commemoration

    Why is this a big deal? Well, they were always invited before, and this is more or less saying "you're a Nazi." The Russians are already raging at the implications and disrespect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Russians not invited to Auschwitz camp liberation commemoration

    Why is this a big deal? Well, they were always invited before, and this is more or less saying "you're a Nazi." The Russians are already raging at the implications and disrespect.
    If russia wants to participate in the normal world again it's really quite simple:

    -Withdraw.
    -Apologize.
    -Pay,

    Bonus:

    -deliver putin, prighozin, Lavrov, Shoigu, Gerasimov et al. to the Hague. (I mean the bonus is the grand prize and won't happen but the other demands are achievable.)

  4. #28104
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    If russia wants to participate in the normal world again it's really quite simple
    no, it's not simple.

    Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

    Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    no, it's not simple.

    Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

    Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.
    Nobody forced the Russians to fuck around. They are already well into their find out phase, and eventually they are going to have to accept that the conditions of their surrender are not going to be up to them. They are going to be presented to a bunch of things they have to agree to, and they'll be going "da, da, da" like a 1980s German pop band tribute act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    no, it's not simple.

    Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

    Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.
    The alternative Russia has is becoming a north korean style pariah of a state in it's relations with the west without at least some attempt to acknowledge wrongdoing.

    Those Ruskies better be looking forward to the prospects of being a Chinese vassal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    no, it's not simple.

    Because apart from the last line, those conditions of reparation you laid out will take probably 50 years minimum for starters alone.

    Many Russians are already aware of this and consider this whole affair a doomsday imposed on them by the West, without admitting it's their fault. They will never admit fault or accept blame. Never.
    Did I lay out a timeframe? No, no I did not, in other words: I never said it would be an immediate return to normalcy, it'll take time, but what I said is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM what needs to happen to be considered back into humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    it'll take time
    And reiterating: sadly the Russians find that unacceptable, as well as apologizing. At best if they want to indeed make reparations and get back into the civilized world, as you say, they expect compensation in the form of that return being immediate than 50-100 years.

    People should recognize while there are some Russian detractors, the vast majority of Russians support this war and Putin. Even abroad.
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  9. #28109
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    People should recognize while there are some Russian detractors, the vast majority of Russians support this war and Putin. Even abroad.
    HIGHLY DEBATABLE.

    Frankly we have absolutely no idea just how popular this war really is with Russians or whether Russians actually support Putin or not.

    Do not confuse apathetic consent with endorsement. The Russian people especially inside Russia seem to be utterly unwilling to dissent with the state, even if they personally disagree with something the state does. For example they might not protest the war and keep their heads down, but will try and dodge the draft through bribes, leaving the country or by breaking their own legs. They might still end up on the front lines, but not out of some deep desire to serve the motherland, but rather because they just couldn't dodge the draft.

    I couldn't find any up to date or more recent articles, but the Russian diaspora seems to be largely skeptical of the war.

    https://theconversation.com/the-russ...ukraine-178623

    Now whether the Russians oppose the war out of empathy for Ukraine's right to self determination or because how the war affects them personally (job loss, being judged, getting conscripted etc) is an entirely different question.
    Last edited by Elder Millennial; 2023-01-26 at 06:43 PM.

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    yeah it's "debatable" alright, but with how you worded it, it's not like the Russians for the most part are sympathetic either.

    The citizens of Iran are to be admired in contrast. Like they're getting slaughtered, raped, and tortured by the hundreds daily by their sick government, but they're still fighting. That's who people compare the Russian citizens to with their apathy.
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  11. #28111
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    yeah it's "debatable" alright, but with how you worded it, it's not like the Russians for the most part are sympathetic either.
    Apathy=/=support.

    Russian's are just surrealy apathetic.

  12. #28112
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I refuse to believe that this is the state of russian rescue "technology".


    It's an old video, unfortunately. Would be pretty funny if this was today's new invention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Apathy=/=support.

    Russian's are just surrealy apathetic.
    I MYSELF can find it understandable though. Most people don't want to be tortured and killed, which is what these authoritarian regimes are all about with dissent.

    That explains their apathy, but it completely betrays the Russian ideals of strength and taking shit from no one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I MYSELF can find it understandable though. Most people don't want to be tortured and killed, which is what these authoritarian regimes are all about with dissent.

    That explains their apathy, but it completely betrays the Russian ideals of strength and taking shit from no one.
    I don't understand why you keep hyping Russia up as this super amazing country that doesn't take crap from anyone. Did you want to move there? Are you too poor to afford it so you have to live there vicariously through the news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calfredd View Post
    I don't understand why you keep hyping Russia up as this super amazing country that doesn't take crap from anyone. Did you want to move there? Are you too poor to afford it so you have to live there vicariously through the news?
    nah.... he saw movies....... and played games where russia was the "stronkest"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calfredd View Post
    I don't understand why you keep hyping Russia up as this super amazing country
    never did. I prop up Russia as fearsome or something to be feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Calfredd View Post
    that doesn't take crap from anyone
    When I said "ideals," well I mean that is Russia at its core and few will really object to it especially now. They take shit from no one (i.e I beat you up for looking at me wrong) and, more relevantly, think they can take whatever they want if they are stronger.

    Remember they rolled up to Ukraine thinking it would be easy pickings because of their supposed vastly superior strength to the "little guys."
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    Update on the "little guys" talk: Russia has threatened to destroy Moldova, warning them of the same price Zelenksy has paid.

    Two influential Russian lawmakers warned on January 24 that Moldova considering Nato membership “may lead to its destruction”, after another Russian senator said the day before that President Maia Sandu risks repeating the 'suicidal policy' of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

    The statements were prompted by Moldovan President Maia Sandu telling Politico that her country may seek membership of “a larger defence alliance” in order to consolidate its security. Moscow’s vehement objection to Ukraine joining Nato was one of the reasons for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year. Like Ukraine, Moscow considers Moldova to be part of its sphere of influence.

    Sandu and other members of the pro-EU authorities have emphasised recently that Moldova’s military neutrality, enshrined in its constitution, shouldn’t impede the development of defence capacities.

    Moldova lies on Ukraine’s western border, and part of the country is occupied by Russia-backed separatists, making it highly vulnerable to spillovers from the war in the neighbouring country. Several Russian missiles have crossed or crashed onto its territory since the start of the war.

    'Usually, we react to actions. Moldova has upset us lately with a series of its decisions,' Svetlana Zhurova, a member of President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party and first vice-president of the State Duma Foreign Affairs Committee, told Vedomosti.
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    I remember when this issue was raised several months ago, you guys expressed complete disbelief Russia could do anything to Moldova though.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-01-26 at 07:43 PM.
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  17. #28117
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Well, why didn't anyone say that this is all that was needed?!
    /5head

    IT IS JUST ALL SO SIMPLE!

    Follow-up question: Why hasn't Trump just...made the call, then?

  18. #28118
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    never did. I prop up Russia as fearsome or something to be feared.
    And I think the last several months have demonstrated how thoroughly false this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I remember when this issue was raised several months ago, you guys expressed complete disbelief Russia could do anything to Moldova though.
    Look up Moldova on the Map, and look up russia, there's this country between them... Ukraine. As long as Ukraine stands, Moldova stands. Can russia do something? Sure, they could bomb, send missiles etc. problem is that those wil have to go over Ukraine and somehow I do not think Ukraine is gonna say "yeah, sure, no problem we'll let this missiles go unmolested through our airspace to Moldova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Look up Moldova on the Map, and look up russia, there's this country between them... Ukraine. As long as Ukraine stands, Moldova stands. Can russia do something? Sure, they could bomb, send missiles etc. problem is that those wil have to go over Ukraine and somehow I do not think Ukraine is gonna say "yeah, sure, no problem we'll let this missiles go unmolested through our airspace to Moldova."
    Well, that suggests they're confident they're going to win the Ukraine war, at least.
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