Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

Eyo how's Russia supposed to get millions of troops trained and sent to the front lines all at once? Aren't they still struggling with basic logistics with their current forces?

they don't train them, and logistics - if that refers to supplies, etc - don't matter because we've seen reports and VODs of how underequipped or starved Russian soldiers are out there.

None of that really matters. When I say "overwhelm," I mean exactly what you'd expect of Russian tactics. Send out a thousand men running into the front, shooting their guns wildly, supported by extravagant missile strikes and some competent Wagner commanders now and then to support from the rear. If almost everyone in these waves dies but the Russians inch up bit by bit, then they consider that a victory.

Those are the tactics we have been seeing. And the other poster implied that, just through time, Ukraine could lose due to numbers and exhaustion. Thus we should just keep trying to send better weapons.

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they don't train them, and logistics - if that refers to supplies, etc - don't matter because we've seen reports and VODs of how underequipped or starved Russian soldiers are out there.

None of that really matters. When I say "overwhelm," I mean exactly what you'd expect of Russian tactics. Send out a thousand men running into the front, shooting their guns wildly, supported by extravagant missile strikes and some competent Wagner commanders now and then to support from the rear. If almost everyone in these waves dies but the Russians inch up bit by bit, then they consider that a victory.

Those are the tactics we have been seeing. And the other poster implied that, just through time, Ukraine could lose due to numbers and exhaustion. Thus we should just keep trying to send better weapons.

What are they going to do, tell them to march to the front and hunt for food along the way? Because I think that would more likely result in most of the soldiers dying or deserting well before they get within eyesight of the Ukrainian border.

[zealo]

I'm getting the distinct impression YUPPIE doesn't understand just how big of a country Ukraine is geographically when he makes posts like the above. That "inching"doesn't really bring a whole lot of military value to Russia strategically but a lot of dead young Russians further crippling their dire demographic situation back home.

[YUPPIE]

What are they going to do, tell them to march to the front and hunt for food along the way? Because I think that would more likely result in most of the soldiers dying or deserting well before they get within eyesight of the Ukrainian border.

1) they don't give a fuck who dies along the way if it's not on masse.

2) Desertion is an ongoing problem with the Russian army on the front, yes, and mutiny. All I can say for this one is maybe the Russians can have more competent barrier troops (rear executioners discouraging desertion) since there are various cases where the grunts kill them.

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I'm getting the distinct impression YUPPIE doesn't understand just how big of a country Ukraine is geographically when he makes posts like the above. That "inching"doesn't really bring a whole lot of military value to Russia strategically but a lot of dead young Russians further crippling their dire demographic situation back home.

Honestly, I'm getting the distinct impression that heavy drinking is a major factor in all of this nonsense.

[Corvus]

The total population of Russia is 146 million. You can'tconscript every man, woman and child. Actually, it's less than that given more than 1 million died from covid.

Given demographics, the most they could raise is 14 million. Except 1 million of that are already dead, crippled or fled. And pooties internal security apparatus is another million. Can't send those. And then there are all the workers who keep the economy going and build weapons. Pull those and the economy really goes belly up.

They can barely keep the troops they already have supplied. Just throwing more bodies in won't work, not while Ukraine keeps getting more and technologically superior weapons while russia goes the other way.

[zealo]

Honestly, I'm getting the distinct impression that heavy drinking is a major factor in all of this nonsense.

That too. Dude really ought to quit the daytime drinking he admitted to.

[YUPPIE]

"Given demographics, the most they could raise is 14 million"

That's still a LOT when you consider the estimated fatalities on the Russian side for one year is 180k at least.

[Xyonai]

they don't train them, and logistics - if that refers to supplies, etc - don't matter because we've seen reports and VODs of how underequipped or starved Russian soldiers are out there.

None of that really matters. When I say "overwhelm," I mean exactly what you'd expect of Russian tactics. Send out a thousand men running into the front, shooting their guns wildly, supported by extravagant missile strikes and some competent Wagner commanders now and then to support from the rear. If almost everyone in these waves dies but the Russians inch up bit by bit, then they consider that a victory.

Those are the tactics we have been seeing. And the other poster implied that, just through time, Ukraine could lose due to numbers and exhaustion. Thus we should just keep trying to send better weapons.

Human wave tactics don't fuckin' work, that's the simple thing to understand here. The fact that Russia with their overwhelming military numbers (In terms of infantry and mechanized units) were barely able to dip their toes into Ukraine's borders and that they now -must- throw bodies into the proverbial wood-chipper just to not lose the ground they gained should tell you about how abysmal Russia's ability to conduct war actually is. For god's sake they're invading a neighboring country and can't even create a mediocre supply line, like holy shit.

No there isn't some 'secret new wave of highly trained super soldiers just waiting to attack', they opened with their highly trained units and they're all fucking dead or cast to the wind. There's no wonder-weapon they're holding back on or they would've used it from the outside (Not to mention reports about the supposed Amata super-tank are coming back as comically underwhelming).

At this rate Russia will bleed their military dry in a nonsense war started for bullshit reasons, and all Putin will likely have to show for it is a brand new hempen necktie and the corpses of a hundred thousand pointless dead.

[Iphie]

There is a chance we may see a creations of a new smaller countrys in future:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

Some very interesting data here in the various demographic pyramids, Germans, Belarusians and Ukrainians will go "extinct" within russia before long, but several others have healthy pyramids, and some may at first seem very skewed to one gender but then you realise that they are probably very much influenced by work immigration.

[YUPPIE]

Hungary's Viktor Orban goes on a tirade against Ukraine, citing it as not being a country, "no-mans" land, and has also vetoed nuclear sanctions against Russia, vowing he will do everything in his power to make sure it doesn't go through.

In response, Ukraine is to summon a Hungarian ambassador over Orban's "unacceptable" remarks.

[Corvus]

Is there anything actually indicating this is real?

This has been as much a war of propaganda and misinformation as anything else, so I'm fairly extremely skeptical of most of these apparently total randos.

Here is the original post over on vk.

https://vk.com/wall645113176_116

It looks genuine.

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Here is the original post over on vk.

https://vk.com/wall645113176_116

It looks genuine.

Huh, comments seem genuine enough. If that's true...the fuckity fuck how does this shit keep getting worse and weirder.

[Gabriel]

Please for the love of god don't link or click vk.com links.

It is a great way for your Facebook page to start suddenly posting links with Cyrillic writing.

[Logwyn]

The UN is a bit hamstrung by China and russia being permanent members of the security council, though I'm pretty sure that will be solved really quickly in russia's case if that shit would go down.

You missed the part of Russia using chemical or biological weapons.....

[YUPPIE]

So you know the guy Brazil was championing for democracy, Lula da Silva, over Bolsanaro's reign of terror?

He just seemingly gave a huge "fuck you" to Ukraine

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has rejected a request from the German government to send ammunition for battle tanks to Ukraine.

The decision, made known this Friday, was taken last Friday 20 at a meeting of the Workers' Party (PT) with high commanders of the Brazilian Armed Forces and the Minister of Defense, José Múcio, according to the newspaper 'Folha de Sao Paolo'.

The refusal would have occurred on the eve of the dismissal of the commander of the Army, General Júlio César de Arruda, as a consequence of the distrust within Lula's government after the coup attacks of January 8.

[Gorsameth]

So you know the guy Brazil was championing for democracy, Lula da Silva, over Bolsanaro's reign of terror?

He just seemingly gave a huge "fuck you" to Ukraine

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has rejected a request from the German government to send ammunition for battle tanks to Ukraine.

The decision, made known this Friday, was taken last Friday 20 at a meeting of the Workers' Party (PT) with high commanders of the Brazilian Armed Forces and the Minister of Defense, José Múcio, according to the newspaper 'Folha de Sao Paolo'.

The refusal would have occurred on the eve of the dismissal of the commander of the Army, General Júlio César de Arruda, as a consequence of the distrust within Lula's government after the coup attacks of January 8.

How is that a fuck you?

"Sorry my country is on the brink of civil war, now is not a good time to send you our ammo" seems like a very legit reason

[YUPPIE]

How is that a fuck you?

"Sorry my country is on the brink of civil war, now is not a good time to send you our ammo" seems like a very legit reason

Nah it has nothing to do with that. Brazil has a massive beef market in Russia and China; the Amazon is burned to create pastures for cattle that provide those countries with cheap beef. And soy production needs fertilizer from Russia (BRIC).

Brazil basically doesn't want to piss Russia off considering this. Nothing to do with some civil war.

[Flarelaine]

An important discussion took place on (Russian) state TV:

Which country's economy is the best model for Russia to follow? Cuba, North Korea or Iran?

[Corvus]

So close...

The russian presidential helicopter has reportedly crashed. Saddly pootie wasn't on it.