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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Personally, after Russia was historically hyped up as the ultimate army
    In no small part thanks to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Personally, after Russia was historically hyped up as the ultimate army and what we see of them in Ukraine, I don't have much faith in the US military being what it's hyped up as either. Especially after the failures of Vietnam and Afghanistan, which people have cited in this thread. You don't know what it'd exactly be like in practice than just words/talk anymore.
    Eeeeeehm you realise the American military completely steamrolled both Iraq and Afghanistan right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Personally, after Russia was historically hyped up as the ultimate army and what we see of them in Ukraine, I don't have much faith in the US military being what it's hyped up as either. Especially after the failures of Vietnam and Afghanistan, which people have cited in this thread. You don't know what it'd exactly be like in practice than just words/talk anymore.
    Russia went to Afghanistan too didn't they? How did that work out for them?

    As if many nations have learned how it is to try to subjugate a distant nation by force and keep it perma-occupied...

    Be glad you are safe in the US, a nation with massive spending on military, on a giant continent pretty far away from most places except maybe Nazi Russia near Alaska. Not like you'd ever have to face an invasion...

    Yet you live and post like you would be in constant crisis of being massacred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    Eeeeeehm you realise the American military completely steamrolled both Iraq and Afghanistan right?
    Nah they don't understand that getting bogged down in an occupation AFTER successfully squashing a country isn't the same thing as failing at conquest in the first place. (Disclaimer: I know the US objective wasn't conquest I'm just drawing a blank at what to call it, pacification?)

  5. #28325
    Ever since Putin invaded Ukraine, I think most people have been put on edge or are living in fear regardless of where they are.

    I mean for sure, I have been I'll admit that much. Ever since 2021, I don't think I've missed a day reading about the state of affairs regarding Ukraine and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Ever since Putin invaded Ukraine, I think most people have been put on edge or are living in fear regardless of where they are.
    You mean you. You have been put on the edge and are living in fear regardless of where you are. Most people who aren't directly involved in the conflict are in no way concerned about it.

    I mean for sure, I have been I'll admit that much. Ever since 2021, I don't think I've missed a day reading about the state of affairs regarding Ukraine and Russia.
    Feels like maybe that's the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    You mean you. You have been put on the edge and are living in fear regardless of where you are. Most people who aren't directly involved in the conflict are in no way concerned about it.

    Feels like maybe that's the problem?
    To be fair, there's a non-zero chance he's waiting for his draft letter, given how much he's been shilling for Russia.

    I'd be anxious too if I knew the letter to be sent to the meat grinder could arrive any day now.

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    Wait is Yuppie really thinking Iran will declare war over what happened? The leadership doesn't care about a factory being blown up, they can build a new one between the protests, I'm sure there are enough revolutionary guards they can pull together for it.

    Trump when he was President of the US pretty much Franz Ferdinand'd Iran when he ordered the assassination of the second in command of the country (Above everyone not the Ayatollah) and all they did was throw a couple of scuds in a way that caused no real damage and unfortunately got so spooked by their own "retaliation" shot down a passenger liner.

  9. #28329
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Most people who aren't directly involved in the conflict are in no way concerned about it.
    Boris Johnson has stated multiple that's exactly the wrong attitude to have - criticizing others for indifference. He has specifically said it may not be your problem now if you aren't in the warzone, but apathy to Ukraine's struggle will literally mean Russia will show up at your doorstep should they (Kyiv) fall.

  10. #28330
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Boris Johnson has stated multiple that's exactly the wrong attitude to have - criticizing others for indifference. He has specifically said it may not be your problem now if you aren't in the warzone, but apathy to Ukraine's struggle will literally mean Russia will show up at your doorstep should they (Kyiv) fall.
    The same Boris Johnson who is basically shamed in the UK, the same Bojo that was until the start of the war basically on Putin's payroll, the same Bojo who whenever he gets into trouble takes the first flight to Rzeszow so he can get a photo op to get the media off his back.

    Bojo is no true friend to Ukraine, he's using Ukraine as a means to deflect away all the corruption and crimes he did at home and Ukraine did benefit. But he truly doesn't care, he can't except outside of what benefits him. Ukraine has benefitted him because if he's in Kyiv the media is going to not have a go at him for a day or two so he can bring up his next lie.

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    Please. The most prevalent feeling I've had since last year is cautious optimism about the very real possibility of finally seeing russia bite the dust.

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    If what you say about Boris is actually true, I'm pretty sure Zelenksy would have shunned him. The guy has made it clear he has little, if any, tolerance for disingenuine or clownish antics anymore. But even then, the citizens of Kyiv clearly like Boris Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    If what you say about Boris is actually true, I'm pretty sure Zelenksy would have shunned him. The guy has made it clear he has little, if any, tolerance for disingenuine or clownish antics anymore. But even then, the citizens of Kyiv clearly like Boris Johnson.
    Let me answer that with a Churchill quote "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons."

    In other words, even if the person helping you is vile, evil, corrupt, or genuinely not a nice person, you don't turn away the help since morals have no place in international diplomacy, only interests. Bojo's interest of not being caught in his lies aligned with Zelensky's interest in defending his country.

  14. #28334
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Iran and North Korea, go to war with the US on average two to three times a year.

    "Death to America" is like the unofficial motto of the Iranian regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    If what you say about Boris is actually true, I'm pretty sure Zelenksy would have shunned him. The guy has made it clear he has little, if any, tolerance for disingenuine or clownish antics anymore. But even then, the citizens of Kyiv clearly like Boris Johnson.
    Boris Johnson's antics in domestic British politics are irrelevant to Zelensky and Ukraine.

    Johnson might have often used Ukraine as a distraction from his many failures at home, but in the process he did help Ukraine militarily, economically and diplomatically. Why Johnson did all that is ultimately irrelevant from the point of view of Ukrainians, what mattered to them is that he was helpful.

    And despite his resignation, Johnson remains politically and diplomatically influential, as long as he continues to use that influence to Ukraine's benefit, the Ukrainians will sing his praises.

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    On the heels of February, Zelenksy warns that Russia's all-out final assault - something I cited as building up since November 2022 - has finally begun.

    Russia has begun its “big revenge” for Ukraine’s resistance to its invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said, as Russian forces claimed a series of incremental gains in his country’s east.

    Zelenskyy has been warning for weeks that Moscow aims to step up its assault on Ukraine after about two months of virtual stalemate along the front line that stretches across the south and east.
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    While there was no sign of a broader new offensive on Monday, the administrator of Russian-controlled parts of Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk province, Denis Pushilin, said Russian troops had secured a foothold in Vuhledar, a coal mining town whose ruins have been a Ukrainian bastion since the outset of the war.

    Pushilin’s adviser, Yan Gagin, said fighters from Russian mercenary force Wagner had taken partial control of a supply road leading to Bakhmut, a city that has been the focus of a Russian offensive for months.

    A day earlier, the head of Wagner said his fighters had secured Blahodatne, a village just north of Bakhmut.

    Kyiv said it had repelled assaults on Blahodatne and Vuhledar. The Reuters news agency could not independently verify the situations there, but the locations of the reported fighting indicated clear, though gradual, Russian gains.

    Zelenskyy said Russian attacks in the east were relentless despite heavy casualties on the Russian side, casting them as payback for Ukraine’s success in pushing Russian forces back from the capital, northeast and south earlier in the conflict.

    “I think that Russia really wants its big revenge. I think they have [already] started it,” Zelenskyy said. Every day they either bring in more of their regular troops, or we see an increase in the number of Wagnerites."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Nah they don't understand that getting bogged down in an occupation AFTER successfully squashing a country isn't the same thing as failing at conquest in the first place. (Disclaimer: I know the US objective wasn't conquest I'm just drawing a blank at what to call it, pacification?)
    I think the word we American's use when we go into a country like that "Liberating".
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    I think the word we American's use when we go into a country like that "Liberating".
    Right, of course!

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    On russian TV, they admitted the VDV, their airborne force and supposedly among the best trained and elite of their army, had lost 50% of its troops by September last year.

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...1lIltW8zzlej3A

  19. #28339
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Boris Johnson has stated multiple that's exactly the wrong attitude to have - criticizing others for indifference. He has specifically said it may not be your problem now if you aren't in the warzone, but apathy to Ukraine's struggle will literally mean Russia will show up at your doorstep should they (Kyiv) fall.
    There is a huge gulf between "apathy to Ukraine's struggle" and "on the edge and living in fear regardless of where they are." One can be sympathetic to Ukraine and pushing for change and also not be perpetually terrified about nuclear armageddon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    On russian TV, they admitted the VDV, their airborne force and supposedly among the best trained and elite of their army, had lost 50% of its troops by September last year.

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...1lIltW8zzlej3A
    If they admit to 50% losses, it is probably entirely gone.

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