Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Yunru]

So here are assessment numbers as right now:
514680 units lost (total)
128420 killed in this number
385260 unable to combat due to wounds
1000 prisoners of war


6382 armored combat vehicles lost + 3029 tanks + 2207 artilery + 293 aircrafts (maybe they count drones?) + 284 helicopters + 18 ships and boats.

Its probaly a lot less due to some areas maybe being counted twice, but even if 50% of this is true number, its still realy high.

[Iphie]

So here are assessment numbers as right now:
514680 units lost (total)
128420 killed in this number
385260 unable to combat due to wounds
1000 prisoners of war


6382 armored combat vehicles lost + 3029 tanks + 2207 artilery + 293 aircrafts (maybe they count drones?) + 284 helicopters + 18 ships and boats.

Its probaly a lot less due to some areas maybe being counted twice, but even if 50% of this is true number, its still realy high.

you got a source for that? Specifically the wounded?

[Azadina]

So here are assessment numbers as right now:
514680 units lost (total)
128420 killed in this number
385260 unable to combat due to wounds
1000 prisoners of war


6382 armored combat vehicles lost + 3029 tanks + 2207 artilery + 293 aircrafts (maybe they count drones?) + 284 helicopters + 18 ships and boats.

Its probaly a lot less due to some areas maybe being counted twice, but even if 50% of this is true number, its still realy high.

It's a lot less because that ratio of dead to wounded would have required RuZZia to have: proper logistics and medical field facilities, supplies, trained troops, troops who even give a fuck about wounded buddies. They've had none of that the entire war. Cut the number of wounded in half or more. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they've had more dead than wounded.

[YUPPIE]

It's been a while since sanctions were mentioned, but Russia still arrogantly boasts Western sanctions have done nothing to harm them a year on. Some Russians even claim they're better off with them if it means they detach themselves from the "evil" Western world.

And I think there's some truth to the sanctions being meaningless when you read about Russia's economic standing. They're still raping and murdering in Ukraine with no consequence.

[Saradain]

It's been a while since sanctions were mentioned, but Russia still arrogantly boasts Western sanctions have done nothing to harm them a year on. Some Russians even claim they're better off with them if it means they detach themselves from the "evil" Western world.

And I think there's some truth to the sanctions being meaningless when you read about Russia's economic standing. They're still raping and murdering in Ukraine with no consequence.

I love the irony in your post.

1) Sanctions were not put to place to remove russian genitals, they were put to place to remove their economic capability. For a man, you need a dick to rape, or literally any item you can force inside someone.

2) Raping, murdering and pillaging is a russian trademark, but saying it is their economy can work as a heartwarming implication, that may or may not yield a forum infraction if it is taken as a generalization of a people on MMO-C

So wrong again. And again.

No consequence except Ukraine being armed to the teeth more and more as time passes, so they can kill more and more vatniks and mobiks...And Russia getting the opposite they want, more NATO countries that also will border them. You couldn't be more wrong, as always

[YUPPIE]

I mean, my idea of sanctions working is when Russian soldiers come back home for a break (which they do get for service), they're greeted with nothing. Not just coming back home to eat at Western corporate fast-food chains and indulging in Western goods.

I know people will say corporations are just all about the money, but it makes me mad about the fact most haven't pulled out when you read all the buzz about it last year (Mcdonalds leaving and all that).

[Edge-]

I mean, my idea of sanctions working is when Russian soldiers come back home for a break (which they do get for service), they're greeted with nothing. Not just coming back home to eat at Western corporate fast-food chains and indulging in Western goods.

I know people will say corporations are just all about the money, but it makes me mad about the fact most haven't pulled out when you read all the buzz about it last year (Mcdonalds leaving and all that).

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over...ia-some-remain

rofl, Russia eating good at Carls Jr. and Sbarro Pizza.

Lay off the sauce.

[YUPPIE]

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over...ia-some-remain

The thing I don't get is when you can identify the corporations that haven't pulled out so conveniently like that, what is stopping Joe Biden from putting such corps out of business? He did vow that the US would go to extra lengths to sanction or penalize industrialists still aiding Russia, but that seems to have only applied to hardware producers than fast-food chains.

[Edge-]

The thing I don't get is when you can identify the corporations that haven't pulled out so conveniently like that, what is stopping Joe Biden from putting such corps out of business? He did vow that the US would go to extra lengths to sanction or penalize industrialists still aiding Russia, but that seems to have only applied to hardware producers than fast-food chains.

Because that's not how the US government works, you're seemingly confusing it for Russia.

[YUPPIE]

Because that's not how the US government works, you're seemingly confusing it for Russia.

how can we stop Russia then?

They're still getting money to wage their war from business venues, North Korea and Iran are funneling weapons despite us already knowing, and worst of all, Ukraine has noted lack of interest is setting in.

And for how people will say we're killing the shit out of Russians in Ukraine, they just keep coming back like zombies. The aforementioned all-out final assault on Kyiv I kept alluding to up to now from December? Just today in some grim news, Zelenksy has noted IT IS COMING.

As Russia’s invasion of Ukraine nears the one-year mark, Kyiv is sounding an increasingly urgent warning: President Vladimir Putin is preparing a major new offensive as troops amass on the border.

[Corvus]

You misunderstand how sanctions work - they don't instantly destroy an economy.

russia is sellings it oil and gas at near cost. They are basically making no money from it but have to keep selling as if they stop then their wells freeze up and last time that happened it took years and western tech and expertise to reopen them again. Which they won't get this time.

Likewise there are many, many other areas which are gradually degrading as they can't get western tech to keep up with repairs. russia doesn't make ball bearings for starters and they are essential components in many things. Their entire rail network is dependent on western tech. Their air industry is dependent on western tech.

They are now spending one third of their budget on the war. All other services are suffering as a result. Healthcare, education, pensions, civil servants pay, all is being impacted by 1) the shrinking budget and 2) the expanding war budget. There is only so long that can go on before things really break.

The NK and Iranian markets are tiny compared to the markets they have lost.

And they admitted to thier population shrinking by more than half a million last year. Given russia lies, expect it to be higher. Their demographics were already in a terminal state but this is just accelerating it.

[Yunru]

you got a source for that? Specifically the wounded?

https://www.minusrus.com/en

Its only source with this numbers tho. So it not 100% true for sure.

[YUPPIE]

I'm not sure why this thread is gaining so little traction or why there is relative apathy with this event about to happen: I mentioned it several times already, but here's full (new as of today) context and speech with citations

Ukraine warns Russia massing 500,000 troops on border for offensive

Ukraine is warning that Moscow is regrouping hundred of thousands of troops on the border for a massive new offensive, just weeks before the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday gave a stark message to the West when he forecast that the Kremlin was building up its forces to take “revenge.”

“Now Russia is concentrating its forces. We all know that. It is preparing to try to take revenge, not only against Ukraine, but against a free Europe and the free world,” Zelensky said at a press conference alongside European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen, as reported by Agence France-Presse.

“Officially, they announced 300,000, but when we see the troops at the borders, according to our assessments it is much more,” Reznikov said.

And senior Ukrainian defense ministry official Yuriy Sak told NBC News Thursday that officials are worried Moscow’s military is preparing for a soon-to-come assault aimed at turning the war in the Kremlin’s favor.

“We should understand that the threat of a new and another offensive will remain until we defeat Russia,” Sak said.

Western and Ukrainian officials have long warned that Russia is planning a renewed spring offensive after a series of embarrassing defeats in summer and fall and a near stalemate over the winter.

But the warnings are picking up ahead of the war’s one-year anniversary on Feb. 24.

Zelensky’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, tweeted Thursday he had spoken with U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley about a new Kremlin offensive.

Russian forces, which have made significant advances around the eastern city of Bakhmut over the past two weeks — their biggest gain in the war since summer — are looking to finally take the city and push past the incremental gains into bigger battlefield wins.

Moscow is hoping the hundreds of thousands of reservists and new conscripts it called up in the fall will allow it to reconstitute military units depleted last year.

Driving the timeline forward is a small gap between newly pledged Western battle vehicles and tanks and when Ukraine will actually take possession of the weapons, experts predict
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[Yunru]

You misunderstand how sanctions work - they don't instantly destroy an economy.

russia is sellings it oil and gas at near cost. They are basically making no money from it but have to keep selling as if they stop then their wells freeze up and last time that happened it took years and western tech and expertise to reopen them again. Which they won't get this time.

Likewise there are many, many other areas which are gradually degrading as they can't get western tech to keep up with repairs. russia doesn't make ball bearings for starters and they are essential components in many things. Their entire rail network is dependent on western tech. Their air industry is dependent on western tech.

They are now spending one third of their budget on the war. All other services are suffering as a result. Healthcare, education, pensions, civil servants pay, all is being impacted by 1) the shrinking budget and 2) the expanding war budget. There is only so long that can go on before things really break.

The NK and Iranian markets are tiny compared to the markets they have lost.

And they admitted to thier population shrinking by more than half a million last year. Given russia lies, expect it to be higher. Their demographics were already in a terminal state but this is just accelerating it.

Well they dont have to sell those, they can just direct them into ocean to avoid damage to them. And they will probaly do that once sanctions stats for other countrys that buy their gas and oil.

[Veggie50]

Yuppie knows, he just doesn’t wanna hear any of it. So many of his posts are structured like this;

“Look at how arrogant and foolish russia is for stating [Insert russian propaganda].

They kind of have a point though… because [Insert misinformation].”

It’s honestly quite nausiating.

[Saradain]

Yuppie knows, he just doesn’t wanna hear any of it. So many of his posts are structured like this;

“Look at how arrogant and foolish russia is for stating [Insert russian propaganda].

They kind of have a point though… because [Insert misinformation].”

It’s honestly quite nausiating.

Can't wait for Tweek to evolve to an adult and start shilling NFTs instead.

Endless misinformation, endless twisting facts.

Now it's mega super hyper doomsday all out assault on Kyiv, then it'll be just Donetsk area anniversary zerg rush, and I would guess the previous claims will be either edited to hide the bullshit or plain ignoring anyone pointing out the misinformation and the cycle begins anew.

[YUPPIE]

With the alleged state of their economy and shrinking demographic, how does Russia has this capacity to send 500k more troops to the grinder? Most of them will die. That's why I stylize it as a "final assault" because if this fails, a lot of possibilities may open up from Russia's losses.

[Edge-]

With the alleged state of their economy and shrinking demographic, how does Russia has this capacity to send 500k more troops to the grinder? Most of them will die.

Yes, that's the point. You've found it out.

[Kaleredar]

Yuppie knows, he just doesn’t wanna hear any of it. So many of his posts are structured like this;

“Look at how arrogant and foolish russia is for stating [Insert russian propaganda].

They kind of have a point though… because [Insert misinformation].”

It’s honestly quite nausiating.

Now now now, I'd say that's but one of three mad-libs style frameworks they use.

Other ones include:

"Look at how [insert country acting on its own volition to support Ukraine] is [providing support to Ukraine/doing thing Russia doesn't like.] Doesn't that risk Russia finally pulling the gloves off to take action and [insert nonsensical threat of force Russia has zero capacity to carry out]?"

or:

"Look, [insert Russian, or Russia-aligned country's, mouthpiece] said this: [insert quote of tired and trite hollow threat.] Truly, this bodes poorly for Ukraine and their western allies. [reasoning withheld]"

[Saradain]

Now now now, I'd say that's but one of three mad-libs style frameworks they use.

Other ones include:

"Look at how [insert country acting on its own volition to support Ukraine] is [providing support to Ukraine/doing thing Russia doesn't like.] Doesn't that risk Russia finally pulling the gloves off to take action and [insert nonsensical threat of force Russia has zero capacity to carry out]?"

or:

"Look, [insert Russian, or Russia-aligned country's, mouthpiece] said this: [insert quote of tired and trite hollow threat.] Truly, this bodes poorly for Ukraine and their western allies. [reasoning withheld]"

[Insert meaningless leader of a shithole with no other power than abusing the fair and democratic right of delaying decisions because Putin told so] & [Insert EU/NATO/Good guys did it anyway, making Putin sad]

VOWS. WITH VENGEANCE.