Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

That's actually pretty hilarious.

And it is beautiful.

To "ryssä" it up, or "ryssiä".

A slur and a descriptive saying in one!

[YUPPIE]

No? Russian military tactics have always consisted of getting their own troops killed until the enemy starts feeling sorry for them.

I've never doubted that Putin will try something as incredibly stupid as throwing half a million untrained drunks at Ukraine. I'm just not shitting my pants because of high numbers because I know just how fucking bad the russians are at warfare. Like I've said many times before; there is a good reason the Finnish expression for fucking something up really bad directly translates into "doing it the russian way" in English.

well then that's that.

Keep in mind the Russians are still in the phase of amassing at the border ATM. When the offensive begins, we will see how it goes. Right now it's all just speculative on how the battle will go.

[zealo]

Well, taking out Zelenksy also means seizing Kyiv since of course he's always there. If Kyiv falls, then as grim as this is to say, don't you think it's decisively over?

That's also why Russians are obsessed with Kyiv. It's the heart of the military enemy.

The momentum for Russia to actually take a city the size of Kyiv is long gone, I do not consider that a probable scenario to begin with.

[Saradain]

well then that's that.

Keep in mind the Russians are still in the phase of amassing at the border. When the offensive begins, we will see how it goes. Right now it's all just speculative.

Russia had to disarm Ukraine from nukes when USSR collapsed, and then some more disarming for how long, 23 years?? To even be able to amass troops to re-take former USSR states, starting from Crimea in 2014 and before that, Georgia war in 2008?

If Russia manages to even equip half the 500k by the time they do the assault around anniversary of this newest genocide...I'll be happily surprised, it is not often when real life is such a meme.

[Belize]

Well Russia set a record for the slowest blitzkrieg ever. What are we on now? Day 350 of the three day war?

Didn't it start Feb 6th?

We're about to loop back around a whole year and start back another 3 days.
Putin never said *which year* the 3 days would end in.

[zealo]

Didn't it start Feb 6th?

We're about to loop back around a whole year and start back another 3 days.
Putin never said *which year* the 3 days would end in.

February 24th. We're still a couple of weeks away from the one year anniversary of this whole shitshow.

[Iphie]

Didn't it start Feb 6th?

We're about to loop back around a whole year and start back another 3 days.
Putin never said *which year* the 3 days would end in.

Feb. 24th invasion of Donbass, Feb. 25th full invasion. (if memory serves, I remember thinking, "thanks a fucking lot for the birthday gift vitun ryssät" (which is two terrible slurs))

[YUPPIE]

Since no one has posted this yet, here's Putin's speech about the state of the war, Germany, and a response to poster Gabriel on logistics when he questioned "where the fuck are they going to pull out the tanks and vehicles" (bolded)

Vladimir Putin has compared Russia's invasion of Ukraine to the fight against Nazi Germany, in a speech to mark the 80th anniversary of the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad. Citing Germany's decision to send tanks to Ukraine, the Russian president said history was repeating itself.

"It's unbelievable but true," he said. "We are again being threatened by German Leopard tanks."

"Those who hope to defeat Russia on the battlefield do not understand, it seems, that a modern war with Russia will be very different for them," the 70-year-old leader said. "We are not sending our tanks to their borders, but we have the means to respond. It won't be limited to the use of armored hardware. Everyone must understand this."

"Now, unfortunately, we see that the ideology of Nazism, already in its modern guise, in its modern manifestation, again creates direct threats to the security of our country," he said.

"Again and again we have to repel the aggression of the collective West."

But he vowed that while it was "unbelievable but true" that Russia was again being threatened by German tanks, Moscow had an answer for any country that threatened it.

[ghotihook]

Since no one has posted this yet, here's Putin's speech about the state of the war, Germany, and a response to poster Gabriel on logistics when he questioned "where the fuck are they going to pull out the tanks and vehicles" (bolded)

Vladimir Putin has compared Russia's invasion of Ukraine to the fight against Nazi Germany, in a speech to mark the 80th anniversary of the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad. Citing Germany's decision to send tanks to Ukraine, the Russian president said history was repeating itself.

"It's unbelievable but true," he said. "We are again being threatened by German Leopard tanks."

"Those who hope to defeat Russia on the battlefield do not understand, it seems, that a modern war with Russia will be very different for them," the 70-year-old leader said. "We are not sending our tanks to their borders, but we have the means to respond. It won't be limited to the use of armored hardware. Everyone must understand this."

"Now, unfortunately, we see that the ideology of Nazism, already in its modern guise, in its modern manifestation, again creates direct threats to the security of our country," he said.

"Again and again we have to repel the aggression of the collective West."

But he vowed that while it was "unbelievable but true" that Russia was again being threatened by German tanks, Moscow had an answer for any country that threatened it.

Ok cool. So they are going to walk hundreds of miles. Got it.

[For_The_Horde]

Worst case scenario. Russia's attempt at zerg rushing turns into an absolute bloodbath, they turn all blame on the west and their weapon shipments that did most of the damage, and escalate to limited nuclear warfare to assert their dominance and try to intimidate both the west and Ukraine. From there it can only snowball out of control.

[Azadina]

And it is beautiful.

To "ryssä" it up, or "ryssiä".

A slur and a descriptive saying in one!

And for anyone who doesn't know, "ryssiä" can also describe slipping/falling. Makes it even more poetic, since they sure know how to fall.

[Edge-]

Ok cool. So they are going to walk hundreds of miles. Got it.

[Saradain]

Worst case scenario. Russia's attempt at zerg rushing turns into an absolute bloodbath, they turn all blame on the west and their weapon shipments that did most of the damage, and escalate to limited nuclear warfare to assert their dominance and try to intimidate both the west and Ukraine. From there it can only snowball out of control.

Except Russia is not gonna sign the complete annihilation of their "civilization" because papa Putin is throwing a tantrum. I'm sure the MMO-C "specialists" are gonna find a way to blame the evil West for "escalating" the war.

It is going to be a bloodbath for Russia for sure!

However nukes? Almost wanting to say "please do", I'd be happier if Russia was a barren wasteland with resources any nations can grab, but real life doesn't work that way nor should it.

Russia already blames the West for daring to not let them commit full genocide of Ukraine. So what?

[For_The_Horde]

Except Russia is not gonna sign the complete annihilation of their "civilization" because papa Putin is throwing a tantrum. I'm sure the MMO-C "specialists" are gonna find a way to blame the evil West for "escalating" the war.

It is going to be a bloodbath for Russia for sure!

However nukes? Almost wanting to say "please do", I'd be happier if Russia was a barren wasteland with resources any nations can grab, but real life doesn't work that way nor should it.

Russia already blames the West for daring to not let them commit full genocide of Ukraine. So what?

That's the tricky part. If Russia decides to use one or several tactical nukes on Ukrainian military targets, does that mean we're going to respond with nuclear armageddon? Probably not. But the west would likely respond with striking the launch positions (small nukes = shorter range). And if it gets to a full nuclear showdown, I wouldn't expect it to be anything like their ground game, except the fact that Russians have no moral hangups about hitting major population centers (with the dirtiest bombs they have). Keep in mind its all just a matter of escalation. The more Russia loses, the more frustrated and desperate they'll become. Don't pretend Russians aren't sore losers.

[Saradain]

That's the tricky part. If Russia decides to use one or several tactical nukes on Ukrainian military targets, does that mean we're going to respond with nuclear armageddon? Probably not. But the west would likely respond with striking the launch positions (small nukes = shorter range). And if it gets to a full nuclear showdown, I wouldn't expect it to be anything like their ground game, except the fact that Russians have no moral hangups about hitting major population centers (with the dirtiest bombs they have). Keep in mind its all just a matter of escalation. The more Russia loses, the more frustrated and desperate they'll become. Don't pretend Russians aren't sore losers.

No one is pretending russians are not sore losers. But you seem to think like Yuppie does, if Russia has nukes, no one can oppose them. We should just give in and die then?

Pentagon already made it sure, if a nuclear weapon is used against Ukraine, US forces will annihilate all the russian invaders in Ukraine. US does not need nuclear weaponry to kill every last fucking one of them.

All US needs is modern equipment and an excuse to ensure Russia will never again threaten anyone.

[For_The_Horde]

No one is pretending russians are not sore losers. But you seem to think like Yuppie does, if Russia has nukes, no one can oppose them. We should just give in and die then?

Pentagon already made it sure, if a nuclear weapon is used against Ukraine, US forces will annihilate all the russian invaders in Ukraine. US does not need nuclear weaponry to kill every last fucking one of them.

All US needs is modern equipment and an excuse to ensure Russia will never again threaten anyone.

I'm not glorifying Russia. I'm just being realistic here. If Russia uses a "tactical" nuclear weapon against a military target in Ukraine, Nato retaliation is possible, more so if they use more than one. Full scale counter invasion by US forces is not gonna happen, Biden already said we're not fighting WW3 over Ukraine. You think Russia is going to retreat back to the motherland and apologize for its actions after getting spanked by Nato? Again not realistic, the tactical nukes are out of the box, and Poland is easily in striking distance.

Also unilaterally nuking Russia into glass with "strategic" nuclear weapons before they retaliate is just fanfiction.

[Gabriel]

I'm not glorifying Russia. I'm just being realistic here. If Russia uses a "tactical" nuclear weapon against a military target in Ukraine, Nato retaliation is possible, more so if they use more than one. Full scale counter invasion by US forces is not gonna happen, Biden already said we're not fighting WW3 over Ukraine. You think Russia is going to retreat back to the motherland and apologize for its actions after getting spanked by Nato? Again not realistic, the tactical nukes are out of the box, and Poland is easily in striking distance.

Also unilaterally nuking Russia into glass with "strategic" nuclear weapons before they retaliate is just fanfiction.

If NATO is forced to directly intervene, russia gets BTFO from Ukraine to the last mobik, and there will be revolution in russia as they will blame each other and the internal power struggle will boil over.

[Saradain]

I'm not glorifying Russia. I'm just being realistic here. If Russia uses a "tactical" nuclear weapon against a military target in Ukraine, Nato retaliation is possible, more so if they use more than one. Full scale counter invasion by US forces is not gonna happen, Biden already said we're not fighting WW3 over Ukraine. You think Russia is going to retreat back to the motherland and apologize for its actions after getting spanked by Nato? Again not realistic, the tactical nukes are out of the box, and Poland is easily in striking distance.

Also unilaterally nuking Russia into glass with "strategic" nuclear weapons before they retaliate is just fanfiction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...david-petraeus

The US and its allies would destroy Russia’s troops and equipment in Ukraine – as well as sink its Black Sea fleet – if the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, uses nuclear weapons in the country, former CIA director and retired four-star army general David Petraeus warned on Sunday.
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Petraeus acknowledged that the likelihood that radiation would extend to Nato countries under the Article 5 umbrella could perhaps be construed as an attack on a Nato member.

Bruh, old news.

Which one is it - tactical nukes are in or out of question?

Russia is a-okay to nuke Ukraine, Poland, whatever.

The West is evil if they use the same weapon? And in this case, no one said the West/NATO is going to nuke Russia. As said, the West does not need a nuclear weapon to end Russia's invasion. The US has pretty damn good tactical airstrike capability as far as I know. And Russia can't even have air superiority in Ukraine with what, 0 ukrainian fighter planes in the air?

What is fanfiction is your fascination with Russia's complete immunity to any kind of response. You don't glorify Russia, but you think we're gonna just watch over and over again after each and every genocide they are committing.

[Vampiregenesis]

They keep saying that Russia is preparing a massive attack on 24 February.

I really wonder now, are they going to keep sending troops until they win? Russia has a large population, how can the west expect to win this? What if they keep doing massive offensives every now and then with the population they have? If they fail again, they can retry later. Russia follows the example of the roman empire.

[Edge-]

They keep saying that Russia is preparing a massive attack on 24 February.

I really wonder now, are they going to keep sending troops until they win? Russia has a large population, how can the west expect to win this? What if they keep doing massive offensives every now and then with the population they have? If they fail again, they can retry later. Russia follows the example of the roman empire.

It's very believable between the buildup and Putin's well known love of anniversaries. He's huge about that kind of shit.

Whether a major push will be successful is another matter, but there seems to be general agreement that there will be "something" on the anniversary and that he'll try to spin it for domestic propaganda. Fairly predictable stuff according to longtime observers.