Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Calfredd]

Just think about the sides of the coin these two men are living on and why it'd be interesting to see them interact.

One is cheered on with every step he makes (not hyperbole) and is literally viewed as one of the greatest modern heroes.

The other has people chanting for his death every day, his supporters are seen as insane and ostracized, and he is viewed as one of the most evil men walking now.

That's nice Billy, good for you, but what has any of this have to do with the price of tea in China?

[YUPPIE]

The international team investigating the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17) by a missile has convincing evidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally signed off on a decision to allow the Russian missile system into Ukraine, Dutch prosecutors said on Wednesday.

The BUK-TELAR missile system was used to shoot down MH17 on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, investigators said.

However, they said the evidence was not enough to lead to prosecution.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-730942

[Kallisto]

The international team investigating the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17) by a missile has convincing evidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally signed off on a decision to allow the Russian missile system into Ukraine, Dutch prosecutors said on Wednesday.

The BUK-TELAR missile system was used to shoot down MH17 on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, investigators said.

However, they said the evidence was not enough to lead to prosecution.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-730942

Yeah something pretty much everyone had already realised around July 20th 2014

[Iphie]

I'm just trying to figure out how he'd get into French airspace.

Well, to be fair, I doubt any country would down a plane suspected of carrying putin so that wouldn't be too hard.

[Gabriel]

Well, to be fair, I doubt any country would down a plane suspected of carrying putin so that wouldn't be too hard.

A plane refusing to turn back from airspace it is not welcome to would absolutely get shot down if it refused to follow instructions after an intercepting fighter jet has made visual contact with it, even if it was carrying the Pope himself. Nations don't fuck around with uncooperative planes after 9/11.

[Iphie]

A plane refusing to turn back from airspace it is not welcome to would absolutely get shot down if it refused to follow instructions after an intercepting fighter jet has made visual contact with it, even if it was carrying the Pope himself. Nations don't fuck around with uncooperative planes after 9/11.

I can see forcing down, but I guarantee you no country will pull the trigger on any plane carrying putin, Biden or Xi.

[Gabriel]

I can see forcing down, but I guarantee you no country will pull the trigger on any plane carrying putin, Biden or Xi.

I kinda wanna see this play out in real life now.

I propose Putin tries to fly over Poland.

[Iphie]

No more penal legions

Wankers aren't recruiting anymore.

[YUPPIE]

China more or less says:

Don't get cocky you EU people...

Beijing’s top envoy to the EU on Wednesday questioned the West’s call to help Ukraine achieve “complete victory,” on the eve of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s possible arrival in Brussels.

Fu Cong, the Chinese ambassador to the EU, also criticized the bloc for “erosion” of its commitment on Taiwan, warning “senior officials from the EU institutions” to stop visiting the self-ruled island.

Fu’s provocative comments on Ukraine and Taiwan, two of the most sensitive geopolitical controversies between China and the West, come as Chinese President Xi Jinping is planning a trip to Moscow, according to the Russian government.

Insisting that the Russia-Ukraine “conflict” was merely an “unavoidable” talking point, Fu said Beijing otherwise enjoys a multifaceted “traditional friendship” with Moscow.

Also, basically confirming they will invade Taiwan

[Poopymonster]

No more penal legions

Wankers aren't recruiting anymore.

They won't volunteer?
Then they get voluntold.

[jonnysensible]

Also, basically confirming they will invade Taiwan

not really tho is it.

Chinese thinking about Russia is it has less GDP than Guangdong Province and if anyone ever works out how to counter nuclear missiles Russia will be a completely irrelevant hellhole It sells raw materials but produces nothing of value with poor living standards and poor governance.

[YUPPIE]

not really tho is it.

Not soon, nothing I implied of it said soon. But eventually.

You have to understand the reason that statement is important to consider is because China is upset by the prospect the West will react the same way they have to Russia should they invade Taiwan. They want to do it right now with their domestic issues and civil unrest at home, but seeing how Russia is getting shit on, simply can’t.

China sees itself in Russia, what it could be. Their bonds and similarities in being “victims” to Western imperialism, as stated in the article, are very deep.

[Corvus]

russia only has about a dozen of its much hyped Terminator BMPTs - it appears as if it has one less now.

[Iphie]

They won't volunteer?
Then they get voluntold.

As far as I can see that's not happening either... Prig no longer is getting cheap cannon fodder, this appears to be bad™ for him.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Not soon, nothing I implied of it said soon. But eventually.

You have to understand the reason that statement is important to consider is because China is upset by the prospect the West will react the same way they have to Russia should they invade Taiwan. They want to do it right now with their domestic issues and civil unrest at home, but seeing how Russia is getting shit on, simply can’t.

China sees itself in Russia, what it could be. Their bonds and similarities in being “victims” to Western imperialism, as stated in the article, are very deep.

China also is a huge net importer of food and energy. Russia has weathered the sanctions this well because it's a net exporter. Yes, it's economy is going down the tube but it's still treading water. China probably would have 6 months at best until oil and food run out and mass starvation and a huge energy crisis unfolded into the CCP either collapsing or having to go to war with its own citizens as they do what it takes to eat. It would be an encomic disaster for the west too.. don't get it twisted.. but survival wouldn't be the central goal to the crisis. China knows this, hates this, but ultimately why they will continue to kick and scream but do very little. If you ever see them become even close to food and energy neutral then start to worry.

[jonnysensible]

Not soon, nothing I implied of it said soon. But eventually.

You have to understand the reason that statement is important to consider is because China is upset by the prospect the West will react the same way they have to Russia should they invade Taiwan. They want to do it right now with their domestic issues and civil unrest at home, but seeing how Russia is getting shit on, simply can’t.

China sees itself in Russia, what it could be. Their bonds and similarities in being “victims” to Western imperialism, as stated in the article, are very deep.

can china cross the Taiwan Strait? No. Not until atleast 2035 with their current force structure.
can china pull a HK with local simps? No. Highly unlikely.

So who cares about sabre rattling?

Russian Military leadership starting to sideline the Wagner pedo divisions. Prig will be lucky not to fall out a window after all this.

[Corvus]

As far as I can see that's not happening either... Prig no longer is getting cheap cannon fodder, this appears to be bad™ for him.

It appears the russian mod is taking over recruiting prisoners - the prig is being cut out.

[Iphie]

It appears the russian mod is taking over recruiting prisoners - the prig is being cut out.

Yeah, I sincerely think prig's gotta be careful. He gambled and lost.

[MCMLXXXII]

Still waiting on those numbers of Putin's alledged 1 billion deads.

[jonnysensible]

Still waiting on those numbers of Putin's alledged 1 billion deads.

he said dead and miserable, did putin make you miserable? you are one of his victims