Macron says jets are not a priority for him. It must be incredibly frustrating for Zelensky to have to keep touring with his begging bowl, aware that his goal of kicking Russia out of Ukraine as fast as possible does not align with the west's strategic aim of using Ukraine from a distance to slowly whittle down Russia power so that we can pay full attention to China when it's all over. In the meantime he has to watch his nation's infrastructure get demolished.
The Romanians are saying the missiles didn't go over it but both they and Moldova say they went over Moldova. Russia will probably say it went over transistria so it wasn't Moldova.
As some commentators have pointed out already with this missile strike, NATO is genuinely afraid of instigating conflict with Russia due to the MAD dilemma. Short of a nuke being dropped, they'll find any excuse they can to not fight.
This should have been another instance NATO should have taken action already, but they've again refused to. Moldovan officials confirmed it, while Romanian denied it. It makes it look like Ukraine is lying when they aren't.
Also source
Ukraine says two Russian missiles crossed into Romania and Moldova, violating NATO airspace
Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-02-10 at 01:03 PM.
Your own article says:
Romania is in NATO. Moldova is not.The Romanian Defense Ministry, however, said that it had detected “an aerial target launched from the Black Sea from a ship of the Russian Federation, near the Crimean Peninsula, most likely a cruise missile,” which flew over Ukrainian territory, then crossed into Moldova “and reentered the Ukrainian airspace without intersecting, at any time, the airspace of Romania.”
No NATO airspace was violated.
How you are allowed to post this shit for over a month or two now without repercussions...Enjoy your freedom to outright lie, perhaps you truly have a gift or unholy pact you made with powers-that-be!
Zelensky says Russia launched at least 70 missiles in today’s attack & echoes Zaluzhny’s remark about some missiles entering the airspace of Moldova & Romania, even though Romania has said it didn’t happen there. “Today's missiles are a challenge to NATO, collective security.”
Ukraine’s armed forces commander Zaluzhny says two Russian cruise missiles hit Ukraine this morning after traversing the airspace of Moldova and then NATO member Romania. First time that Russian missiles violate NATO airspace in this war.
Just PLEASE stop denying what happened; missiles literally flew over Romania but they, the NATO member as you said, only denied it as Moldova and Ukraine states otherwise.
Also, Moldova's government itself collapsed today as the prime minister resigned.
Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-02-10 at 01:49 PM.
Ah, when you cannot provide facts, you repeat the hyperboles. Zelensky this, Zelensky that. When you don't shill for Russia, you always refer to a ukrainian politician instead, what they said is an absolute truth, nothing something that could spring from their desire for this genocide to end. Almost as if their judgement was affected by the whole war. When a missile in their deepest hopes WOULD violate NATO airspace, to finally make the pussy West stop being a pussy...
I am sorry I ever called you a russian troll, you are something entirely else.
Also nope, missiles did not fly across NATO airspace because you want to die in a war, your own link already contradicted you. Keep insisting though, that is what powers your...posting.
Last edited by Saradain; 2023-02-10 at 01:56 PM.
this is still ongoing. Many people are saying different things due to the gravity of the situation and I only cited one source.
Keep watching how it develops; NATO said they'll make a statement later, even though I know that won't amount to anything.
Update: Full statement from Ukraine:
Two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles have crossed into Romanian air space during a large-scale missile attack on 10 February.
Source: Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on Facebook; Yurii Ihnat, spokesperson for the Air Force of Ukraine, in a comment to Ukrainska Pravda
Quote: "Two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles crossed the state border of Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova on 10 February at 10:18.
At approximately 10:33, these missiles crossed into Romanian air space. After this, the said air targets re-entered Ukrainian airspace where the borders of the three states meet. At the moment, this target is being monitored, and measures to shoot it down are also being taken.
The missile was launched from the Black Sea."
Details: Yurii Ihnat, spokesperson for the Air Force of Ukraine, has pointed out in a comment to Ukrainska Pravda that the Air Force could have shoot down these Russian missiles but they understood the risks and threats to the population of the neighbouring state, therefore they did not do it right away.
He has added that it is not the first time that Russia has staged provocations by violating the airspace of foreign states. This had previously been detected in Moldova.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/10/7388769/
Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-02-10 at 02:17 PM.
Why do I torment myself trying to even, for the sake of a discussion to assume most posters are sensible people, to reply to him? I know not. It is a purgatory of my own making.
Let me know when Russia invades NATO territory and you'll see there's a reason your USA spends so much on its military. Which is probably "in about 10 minutes" when you twist yet another newspiece into a propaganda post.
Not going to happen. You of all people should know by now Russia is trying to provoke NATO to attack them instead in subtler ways to paint itself as a victim.
The problem today, however, is in their impulsive bloodthirst to attack Ukraine they flew missiles over Romania.
Don't you support Ukraine? You implied there's nothing more than they would like if NATO actually did get involved and shitstomps Russia. I think everyone would like that.
1) And since NATO is not Russia, NATO will not respond when nothing indicates NATO was violated, thanks.
2) No missiles flew over Romania, your own link disproved that, you can stop regurgitating that, thanks.
3) You can also cease your pathetic attempts at trying make me look like someone who doesn't support Ukraine. I know finnish history enough to understand what Russia truly is. And big surprise there that Ukraine would love the suffering of their people to end, who would have known?
gg ez
If Romania's airspace wasn't violated, then why would Zelenksy and his administration say these things - suggest them?
I don't think they would lie.
And what's wrong with non-Ukrainians perceiving that as the truth, as well? Moldova even backed Ukraine's own statement.
I just cannot be dissuaded from believing what Russia did today. The only reason I perceive people deny it, why Romania says what it has, is because they don't want to get involved unless it's a last resort.