Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

Yevgeny Prigozhin, Putin's top man and Wagner founder, expresses some doubt in his conviction to take Bakhmut despite citing it as the most important objective.

[Iphie]

Yevgeny Prigozhin, Putin's top man and Wagner founder, expresses some doubt in his conviction to take Bakhmut despite citing it as the most important objective.

That's actually interesting, after having spent so much effort trying to take Bakhmut just giving up seems uncharacteristic. I would propose that the prig is just passing a poison pill to the russian MoD. Let them choke on it.

[YUPPIE]

In comments apparently aimed at Russia’s defense establishment, Prigozhin complained in January about “infighting, corruption, bureaucracy and officials who want to stay in their positions”, as well as what he called constant attempts to “steal victory” from Wagner.

So this guy is evil like the devil, but why does he sound almost rational here? Sounds like a mess internally in Russia.

[Iphie]

In comments apparently aimed at Russia’s defense establishment, Prigozhin complained in January about “infighting, corruption, bureaucracy and officials who want to stay in their positions”, as well as what he called constant attempts to “steal victory” from Wagner.

So this guy is evil like the devil, but why does he sound almost rational here? Sounds like a mess internally in Russia.

Evil=/= irrational. And yes, russian internal politics are a big mess.

[YUPPIE]

Evil=/= irrational

I mean, Putin himself thinks he's winning and won't hear anything otherwise. In the context of what's going on, that's irrational insanity.

You'd think his head honcho wouldn't be saying things this pessimistic and think more like he does.

[qwerty123456]

SpaceX just recently said it has been limiting Ukraines use of Starlink.

Russia's blitz Feb 24 of last year was supposed to end Ukraine in a few days..

People misunderstood the whole 3 days thing. The actual 3rd day of the 3 day war is Feb 22 2109.

[diller]

this is still ongoing.

SERIOUSLY, get help.

[Makabreska]

SERIOUSLY, get help.

To seek help, one first has to recognize there is a problem.

[Veggie50]

I mean, Putin himself thinks he's winning and won't hear anything otherwise. In the context of what's going on, that's irrational insanity.

You'd think his head honcho wouldn't be saying things this pessimistic and think more like he does.

How do you know what Putins thinking rusbot?

Because you believe a word he says?

Cuz if so I have a bridge to sell you.

[Voidism]

I think putin simply doesn't care about his forces dying. He will continue regardless, because he will die if he stops. He's buying time... to be alive. If he loses Crimea then he will most likely lose his life. That's why he acts "irrationally" - it's very rational from a psychopath's point of view. A psychopath who wants to keep power and his life.

He will not be 'satisfied' until he has control, militarily or politically, over all or most of ex-Soviet or ex-Ru-Empire space.

[Veggie50]

I think putin simply doesn't care about his forces dying. He will continue regardless, because he will die if he stops. He's buying time... to be alive. If he loses Crimea then he will most likely lose his life. That's why he acts "irrationally" - it's very rational from a psychopath's point of view. A psychopath who wants to keep power and his life.

He will not be 'satisfied' until he has control, militarily or politically, over all or most of ex-Soviet or ex-Ru-Empire space.

Yep, in poker terms he’s ‘pot committed’.

But that doesn’t work in yuppie’s fearmongering ‘fear the insane guy with a finger on a nuke button’ narrative.

[Voidism]

Yep, in poker terms he’s ‘pot committed’.

But that doesn’t work in yuppie’s fearmongering ‘fear the insane guy with a finger on a nuke button’ narrative.

Some called it a zugzwang (where your every move makes everything worse but you need to keep moving) but I really feel this is his only play. In fact, I'm not sure he would have canceled the attack if he knew what would happen. He would have gone through with it. This is probably his last play.

He has always been a "shake things up and pick the pieces" kind of player. He's not very strategic. Opportunistic.

[Elder Millennial]

SpaceX just recently said it has been limiting Ukraines use of Starlink.

Yeah, posted on that a few days ago, it's not been in the news that much, while I'm sure the Ukrainians aren't happy about it, and we know the Pentagon is not happy about it, I have a feeling that a work around has been found.

SpaceX has been in talks with the Pentagon for months trying to get some big defense contract related to this, once those talks fell apart (the Pentagon doesn't seem to be willing to pay) SpaceX suddenly announced "they didn't intend their technology to be weaponized". Which is self evidently horseshit, they have a captive market and are trying to monetize it for everything it's worth.

[Voidism]

Yeah, posted on that a few days ago, it's not been in the news that much, while I'm sure the Ukrainians aren't happy about it, and we know the Pentagon is not happy about it, I have a feeling that a work around has been found.

SpaceX has been in talks with the Pentagon for months trying to get some big defense contract related to this, once those talks fell apart (the Pentagon doesn't seem to be willing to pay) SpaceX suddenly announced "they didn't intend their technology to be weaponized". Which is self evidently horseshit, they have a captive market and are trying to monetize it for everything it's worth.

Why is he gambling on this? Isn't it pretty stupid to mess like this with the American government?

[Gorsameth]

Why is he gambling on this? Isn't it pretty stupid to mess like this with the American government?

Your asking why Elon Musk is being stupid? Have you been on the internet in the last decade?
He does stupid shit somewhat regularly.

[Voidism]

Your asking why Elon Musk is being stupid? Have you been on the internet in the last decade?
He does stupid shit somewhat regularly.

If he's that stupid, he wouldn't get to where he is though?

[Xyonai]

If he's that stupid, he wouldn't get to where he is though?

man you'd fuckin' think. But it turns out enough money can insulate even the dumbest of asses from the consequences of their actions.

[Voidism]

man you'd fuckin' think. But it turns out enough money can insulate even the dumbest of asses from the consequences of their actions.

Hmm... maybe it's a case of being too rich to have fun anymore. Like a guy who has everything, so tries to go in reverse... or something? :s

Well, pootler invaded Ukraine so it's not like people aren't doing things that will ultimately hurt them in the end.

[Poopymonster]

Your asking why Elon Musk is being stupid? Have you been on the internet in the last decade?
He does stupid shit somewhat regularly.

I read somebody's tweet that pretty much said:
Elon brought electric cars to mainstream attention, I knew nothing of electric cars so I thought he was a genius.
Elon got Space X going strong, I knew nothing of rocket science so I thought he was a genius.
Elon bought Twitter and I've watched what he's doing. I AM a software engineer. Elon is not a genius.
That immediately made me question my previous two thoughts.

[Voidism]

I read somebody's tweet that pretty much said:
Elon brought electric cars to mainstream attention, I knew nothing of electric cars so I thought he was a genius.
Elon got Space X going strong, I knew nothing of rocket science so I thought he was a genius.
Elon bought Twitter and I've watched what he's doing. I AM a software engineer. Elon is not a genius.
That immediately made me question my previous two thoughts.

I wonder how Tesla and SpaceX would have developed without him.