Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

Who the hell cares about traveling to Russia at this point in time?

You'd be surprised. People want to sightsee Iran and Afghanistan even now.

[Shadowferal]

You'd be surprised. People want to sightsee Iran and Afghanistan even now.

I'm sure you believe that.

[Corvus]

Ha, I knew that report would be hyperventilated about.

It's not the first time they had issued that warning. It's either because they know russia is going to grab westerners for hostage diplomacy or, as the last paragraph mentioned, mobilisation is going to kick up again and such pesky things as foreign citizenship will be ignored.

[Rustedsaint]

I'm sure you believe that.

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised, we still have idiots going to North Korea.

[YUPPIE]

there's nothing surprising about it. You people underestimate tourism. Also, there are people that have dedicated their lives to exploring the entirety of the world.

[Orange Joe]

I'm sure you believe that.

Sadly, he isn't wrong and shit like this happens all the time.

[YUPPIE]

Remember when I wrote this in response to Moldova's crisis a few days ago and was accused of sensationalism?

no, that's what I thought they were going to do before.

But now it's clear they're just subverting their democratic government from the inside out. Like the GOP and cyberattack stuff you saw posted a few scrolls up. This is what Russia ultimately does when their threats of upfront violence aren't genuine, they weaken governments and install Kremlin agents or sycophants. It's what they were doing in Crimea as well.

They're fucking everywhere.

Well, this very topic has been raised today. Take it with SOME grain of salt since Ukraine is known to publish sensationalized propaganda (understandably), but today they claimed to have foiled a secret Russian operation to destabilize Moldova via assassinating its democratic parties. Moldova then stepped up today and accused Russia of plotting said coup.

Moscow, Feb 13 (EFE).- Moldova’s president accused Russia of plotting a coup on Monday, following claims from Ukraine’s president that Moscow was planning to destabilize the former Soviet state.

Maia Sandu claimed Monday that Russia was coordinating a coup in Moldova with the help of foreign citizens who have undergone military training.

“Through violent actions, masked as protests of the so-called opposition, the change of power in Chisinau would be forced,” Sandu told a press briefing.

The Moldovan leader added that the nation’s intelligence agency had reviewed documents sent from “Ukrainian partners” that “demonstrate a good documentation of the locations and logistical aspects for the organization of these subversive activities.”

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned of Moscow’s plans to destabilize the former soviet state during an address at the European Parliament last week.

“The plan involves the use of people from outside the country for violent actions. For example, the materials contain instructions on the rules of entry into the Republic of Moldova for citizens of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus, Serbia and Montenegro,” Sandu said.

Russia was also looking to deploy criminal groups to execute its plan, she added.

“The purpose of these actions is to overthrow the constitutional order, to change the legitimate power from Chisinau to an illegitimate one, which would put our country at the disposal of Russia,” Sandu warned.

Key to Russia’s motives is thwarting Moldova’s European Union integration process and securing power over Chisinau so the country can be used in Russian president Vladimir Putin’s ongoing war in neighboring Ukraine, the head of state said.

Sandu said that state security agencies were working to prevent the provocations and to keep the situation under control.

Some sources:
https://www.laprensalatina.com/moldo...plotting-coup/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...n-interference
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[Iphie]

russians need to stop smoking.

[Ivanstone]

I'm sure you believe that.

I know a dude that visited North Korea. It’s was during the Mass Games which is probably the only safe time for a Westerner to visit NK. I don’t think he’d object to visiting Iran or Afghanistan under certain circumstances.

[Kallisto]

russians need to stop smoking.

This is what happens when you rip maintenance workers from their jobs and shove them on the frontlines.

[The Stormbringer]

Even if, by some miracle, Russia managed to defeat the conventional Ukrainian forces and oust the government, they simply do not have the numbers or logistics to hold and police the country afterwards. They would need over a million troops just to do that, and that's in a situation where the people never fight back. Considering we live in a world where guerilla tactics and non-conventional/asymmetrical warfare are a thing, that wouldn't be enough. Unless they just start genociding everyone left in the country, there's no possible chance for them to win this long-term.

[Saradain]

Even if, by some miracle, Russia managed to defeat the conventional Ukrainian forces and oust the government, they simply do not have the numbers or logistics to hold and police the country afterwards. They would need over a million troops just to do that, and that's in a situation where the people never fight back. Considering we live in a world where guerilla tactics and non-conventional/asymmetrical warfare are a thing, that wouldn't be enough. Unless they just start genociding everyone left in the country, there's no possible chance for them to win this long-term.

Didn't someone, including me, link a source in this thread, for a plan Russia had for their victory?

Where it was mentioned, that they have a plan to determine for each and every citizen, whether they would be allowed to live? A multi-step method to determine one's threat level against Russia. It was a long while ago, months even but finnish newspapers did mention that at one point.

Yeah, sounds pretty comically evil but I recall that being discussed in this thread before. Can't even remember right now if it was a leaked official plan, or something, because now with less memory of that yet another evil of Russia, it sounds just too much like usual russian drivel ala Medvedev.

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This is 3 days before February 24th, 2022.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/10820...l-list-ukraine

It is not exactly what I meant, but what little I could find with a Google search. The thing I refer to was revealed well after February.

And I would have a HUGE job going through every post I have written here for the past months...Google search sadly only finds multiple variations of the above link story, all from 3 days before 24th of February 2022...

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Aha!

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/12/...e-rusi-report/

The report reveals disturbing details of the FSB’s tasks during the invasion reminiscent of the activities of its predecessor agency, the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD), during the Second World War and the immediate aftermath in Eastern Europe.

The FSB was tasked with capturing local officials and lists were compiled that divided Ukrainians into four categories:

those to be physically liquidated;
those in need of suppression and intimidation;
those considered neutral who could be induced to collaborate;
and those prepared to collaborate.

With regard to political control, there was a regional and national component.

On the national level, the objective was “the murder of Ukraine’s executive branch and the capture of Parliament,” while
on the regional level, Russia would have focused its efforts on “coerced cooperation of regional governors and local authorities.”

Russia’s invasion goal: destroying Ukraine’s national sovereignty and banning Ukrainian identity
The report notes that the goals of the Russian invasion included “the destruction of national sovereignty and the banning of Ukrainian identity and ‘demilitarisation,’ the destruction and banning of the UAF and the export to Russia of enterprises of the defense industrial complex of Ukraine, but also ‘denuclearisation,’ the capture of nuclear power plants and their transfer to the direct management of Rosatom.”

May look that I had wrong memory, given the wording may not imply each and every single ukrainian, "just" specific important ones. But lets not kid ourselves, it matters very little what kind of genocide is going on...

[Iphie]

Didn't someone, including me, link a source in this thread, for a plan Russia had for their victory?

Where it was mentioned, that they have a plan to determine for each and every citizen, whether they would be allowed to live? A multi-step method to determine one's threat level against Russia. It was a long while ago, months even but finnish newspapers did mention that at one point.

Yeah, sounds pretty comically evil but I recall that being discussed in this thread before. Can't even remember right now if it was a leaked official plan, or something, because now with less memory of that yet another evil of Russia, it sounds just too much like usual russian drivel ala Medvedev.

- - - Updated - - -

This is 3 days before February 24th, 2022.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/10820...l-list-ukraine

It is not exactly what I meant, but what little I could find with a Google search. The thing I refer to was revealed well after February.

And I would have a HUGE job going through every post I have written here for the past months...Google search sadly only finds multiple variations of the above link story, all from 3 days before 24th of February 2022...

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Aha!

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/12/...e-rusi-report/







May look that I had wrong memory, given the wording may not imply each and every single ukrainian, "just" specific important ones. But lets not kid ourselves, it matters very little what kind of genocide is going on...

Indeed, it matters little, but this would backfire enormously as these are the things that get you in real deep shit when you try to suppress a populace and I wouldn't even be sure if this would have actually started the rest of the world would be like, yeah, no that's ok. I can't imagine even a China or an India letting that slide.

[Corvus]

We all know that soylent green, er Solovyov, routinely calls for the nuking of London but do you know who lives there? Why, that would be his son.

And what is his son doing rather than fighting in Ukraine? He's working as a male model.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...QZyNRtjGYbsumw

That doesn't seem very macho manly russian, getting around in make-up and manicures.

[Iphie]

More careless smoking

[Corvus]

More careless smoking

Looks fairly big in other video. And it's an important part of russia's MIC too by the sounds.

https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/sta...IH2_e5So9YOS6g

[Edge-]

Russia is on fire again? Didn't this happen like 6 months ago with a bunch of buildings and pipelines and shit going up in flames?

[YUPPIE]

If you fail or displease Putin, you die. No questions asked. A retired Russian general has allegedly committed suicide, but this man was noted to have upset Putin last month. Suspicions are already raised on the circumstances of his death, which is yet another in a long string of mystery Russian deaths related to high-ranking officials.

Makarov was dismissed from his position at the Interior Ministry's Department for Combating Extremism (also known as Centre E) in January of this year.

That's why people are afraid of him. He treats murder as naturally as it is breathing.

[Iphie]

If you fail or displease Putin, you die. No questions asked. A retired Russian general has allegedly committed suicide, but this man was noted to have upset Putin last month. Suspicions are already raised on the circumstances of his death, which is yet another in a long string of mystery Russian deaths related to high-ranking officials.

Makarov was dismissed from his position at the Interior Ministry's Department for Combating Extremism (also known as Centre E) in January of this year.

That's why people are afraid of him. He treats murder as naturally as it is breathing.

And eventually people will realise that getting rid of him is less dangerous than letting him stay in power. It's really simple at some point he'll get too close to the inner circle.

[Corvus]

Russia is on fire again? Didn't this happen like 6 months ago with a bunch of buildings and pipelines and shit going up in flames?

Russia seems to be perpetually on fire. But in a corrupt mafia state where corruption and insurance fraud are rampant, its hardly a surprise.

Of course when parts of your MIC are going up in flames regularly, well, that is a different matter.