Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Hansworst]

a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

Then quote that text. It's not that hard.

[Corvus]

No one was saying they wouldn't do it. What they have been saying is that it would be impossible to throw 500K men at one small part of the line due to logistics, modern weapons etc.

Which is why they are throwing them in smaller groups, of 30K+, at places like Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Kreminna and so on. And they are largely failing.

[Iphie]

The Brits are saying that 97% of the entire russian army is now in Ukraine. Basically the entire rest of the country is undefended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

Does this include the rosvergardya (or however it is spelled)? Cause that's another 300k soldiers or so, of course those are supposed to keep russia pacified. (and putin safe, but who cares about that detail.)

[Corvus]

Does this include the rosvergardya (or however it is spelled)? Cause that's another 300k soldiers or so, of course those are supposed to keep russia pacified. (and putin safe, but who cares about that detail.)

The rosgvardia aren't army. There job is internal security. Some went into Ukraine at the start of the war when they thought it would be over in 3 days and they just needed the rosgvardia thugs to pacify the civilians. Turns out they were no good against people who fight back.

[Gabriel]

yes they did (again). Some posters here were "they cant be THAT reckless"

what a timeline to be in where they literally mostly ran in on foot with the full estimated numbers

Literally nobody said that. EVERYONE that has been following this conflict has always known Russian are incapable of tactics beyond "human wave" and "bomb civilians".

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a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

Lay down the sauce for once. People were telling you that they don't believe the Russians will succeed in their attack because they are beyond shit at logistics, not that they don't believe Russia will try to do something incredibly retarded that is doomed to fail.

[jonnysensible]

we need to encourage our Finnish brothers to take st petersburg and our Mongolian friends to abandon their parliamentary democracy and unite behind a great khan

[Huehuecoyotl]

a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

Nope. Nobody said that. People told you that your belief that throwing 500k men at it would result in them getting to Kyev was nonsense. Hence the discussions about logistics. I don't think anybody doubted at this point in this war that Russia would be stupid enough to simply throw under-trained and under-equipped men at the front and hope a miracle occurs. But even if it somehow worked, there are still massive question marks on how they'd get those men across Ukraine if the defenders simply backed off and waited for them to follow.

As it stands, it doesn't look like this last ditch effort is going to get them anything more than a LOT of casualties and a small amount of ground. Which will get taken back pretty quickly once those modern tanks start showing up to the fight.

It's no wonder you aren't keeping up in this conversation; you don't even understand what criticisms are being levelled at your posts, much less be able to refute them.

[Iphie]

we need to encourage our Finnish brothers to take st petersburg and our Mongolian friends to abandon their parliamentary democracy and unite behind a great khan

A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

[Gabriel]

we need to encourage our Finnish brothers to take st petersburg and our Mongolian friends to abandon their parliamentary democracy and unite behind a great khan

Only if someone else pays for the cleanup.

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A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

I mean, we can take the Kola Peninsula if someone is offering.

[Hansworst]

A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

But Putingrad St. Petersburg is a beautiful city. Would visit it again if it was Finnish in stead of Russian.

[Iphie]

Only if someone else pays for the cleanup.

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I mean, we can take the Kola Peninsula if someone is offering.

Eh some more wasteland, I'm sure we can take better care of it than russia.

But Putingrad St. Petersburg is a beautiful city. Would visit it again if it was Finnish in stead of Russian.

So I hear, I just don't want a massive russian population in Finland, especially not one that makes Finns a minority in their own country.

[Gorsameth]

Does this include the rosvergardya (or however it is spelled)? Cause that's another 300k soldiers or so, of course those are supposed to keep russia pacified. (and putin safe, but who cares about that detail.)

I assume its just the basic professional armed forces. Not including conscripts, internal police/security forces ect

[Elder Millennial]

A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

East Karelia on the other hand....

[The Stormbringer]

For those of you saying Russian civilians or his own cohorts should revolt and kill Putin: I'm astonished by the level of security he has since they decided to share a story.

And that's just for transport.

No one can come close to this guy, let alone attempt to kill him.

His security could. They just have to grow a spine and realize he's the bad guy. He's surrounded by people with guns. It just takes one of them.

Now, I'm not saying they should, just that they could.

[Gabriel]

East Karelia on the other hand....

Meh. Taking any parts of Russia would require crimes against humanity to make it worth it.

[Hansworst]

Meh. Taking any parts of Russia would require crimes against humanity to make it worth it.

Not much humanity left though...

[Saradain]

Not much humanity left though...

To be honest it'd be about turning a raped wasteland into productive again, land stripped of all resources and treating it well instead of randomly dumping waste everywhere "out of sight, out of mind" russian mentality.

And then the whole "eject possibly millions of people from a region they stole and resettled (by forcibly settling their own people there)".

And man, I heard Karelia was like worth 10% of all resources in Finland back then at the time of tragedy.

[YUPPIE]

NSFW.

Russia is apparently operating Nazi-like concentration/re-education camps for Ukrainian children

Washington
CNN
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The Russian government is operating an expansive network of dozens of camps where it has held thousands of Ukrainian children since the start of the war against Ukraine last year, according to a new report released Tuesday.

The report contains disturbing new details about the extent of Moscow’s efforts to relocate, re-educate, and sometimes militarily train or forcibly adopt out Ukrainian children – actions that constitute war crimes and could provide evidence that Russia’s actions amount to genocide, it said.

The report was produced as a part of the work of the US State Department-backed Conflict Observatory by the Yale Humanitarian Research Lab. The Observatory was established last year to gather evidence of Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

“All levels of Russia’s government are involved,” Yale Humanitarian Research Lab’s Nathaniel Raymond told reporters Tuesday.

[Azadina]

Meh. Taking any parts of Russia would require crimes against humanity to make it worth it.

I would rebrand it as....the grand gift for all humanity.

[zorkuus]

NSFW.

Russia is apparently operating Nazi-like concentration/re-education camps for Ukrainian children

Degenerate scum of the earth nation. Nothing new here. I dream of the day when that shithole just collapses and magically ceases to exist entirely.