Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

So I'm not trying to add to any fearmongering here; therefore, I won't give personal input, but this made top story:

Russia deploys nuclear-armed ships for first time in 30 years

‘Tactical nuclear weapons are a particularly serious threat,’ Norwegian intelligence report says."

Russia has begun deploying tactical nuclear weapon-armed vessels in the Baltic Sea for the first time in the last 30 years, the Norwegian Intelligence Service said in its annual report.

“The key part of the nuclear potential is on the submarines and surface ships of the Northern Fleet,” the Norwegian intel noted.

The Northern Fleet warships regularly went to sea with nuclear weapons during the Cold War era, but this is the first time the modern Russian Federation has done the same, the report added.

While Russia also has submarine capabilities, anti-satellite weapons and cyber capabilities that could threaten Norway and the NATO military alliance, tactical nuclear weapons are “a particularly serious threat in several operational scenarios in which NATO countries may be involved,” the report said.

The Norwegian intelligence also noted that an escalation of a localized war into a wider conflict involving the United States, NATO and Norway cannot be ruled out.

The agency assessed that while Russia will maintain, modernize and develop its nuclear arsenal, no significant changes in Russian nuclear doctrine are expected in the coming years.

[Veggie50]

So I'm not trying to add to any fearmongering here; therefore, I won't give personal input, but this made top story:

Russia deploys nuclear-armed ships for first time in 30 years

‘Tactical nuclear weapons are a particularly serious threat,’ Norwegian intelligence report says."

Russia has begun deploying tactical nuclear weapon-armed vessels in the Baltic Sea for the first time in the last 30 years, the Norwegian Intelligence Service said in its annual report.

“The key part of the nuclear potential is on the submarines and surface ships of the Northern Fleet,” the Norwegian intel noted.

The Northern Fleet warships regularly went to sea with nuclear weapons during the Cold War era, but this is the first time the modern Russian Federation has done the same, the report added.

While Russia also has submarine capabilities, anti-satellite weapons and cyber capabilities that could threaten Norway and the NATO military alliance, tactical nuclear weapons are “a particularly serious threat in several operational scenarios in which NATO countries may be involved,” the report said.

The Norwegian intelligence also noted that an escalation of a localized war into a wider conflict involving the United States, NATO and Norway cannot be ruled out.

The agency assessed that while Russia will maintain, modernize and develop its nuclear arsenal, no significant changes in Russian nuclear doctrine are expected in the coming years.

How is this not fearmongering rusbot?

[Azadina]

How is this not fearmongering rusbot?

He obviously thinks that if he doesn't specifically spell out the N word dozen times; only implies it, then it's magically not qualified as fear mongering.

[Corvus]

The Brits are saying that 97% of the entire russian army is now in Ukraine. Basically the entire rest of the country is undefended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

[YUPPIE]

The Brits are saying that 97% of the entire russian army is now in Ukraine. Basically the entire rest of the country is undefended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

No one is going to directly attack Russia so that's moot.

Also, they really are going in on the 500k man assault huh

[Corvus]

Ah, but what if a separatist movement started up somewhere - is russia going to nuke itself?

And the winter offensive has already started and largely failed. They threw 6 brigades plus support units at Vuhledar, some 30-50k men and got wrecked. The other offensives have faired little better.

[Gabriel]

No one is going to directly attack Russia so that's moot.

Also, they really are going in on the 500k man slaughter huh

Again, literally nobody doubted this.

[YUPPIE]

Again, literally nobody doubted this.

yes they did (again). Some posters here were "they cant be THAT reckless"

what a timeline to be in where they literally mostly ran in on foot with the full estimated numbers

[Hansworst]

yes they did (again). Some posters here were "they cant be THAT reckless"

what a timeline to be in where they literally mostly ran in on foot with the full estimated numbers

Quote them. No one said that. A lot of people said they were going to fail but no one said they can't be that reckless.

[YUPPIE]

Quote them. No one said that. A lot of people said they were going to fail but no one said they can't be that reckless.

a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

[Hansworst]

a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

Then quote that text. It's not that hard.

[Corvus]

No one was saying they wouldn't do it. What they have been saying is that it would be impossible to throw 500K men at one small part of the line due to logistics, modern weapons etc.

Which is why they are throwing them in smaller groups, of 30K+, at places like Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Kreminna and so on. And they are largely failing.

[Iphie]

The Brits are saying that 97% of the entire russian army is now in Ukraine. Basically the entire rest of the country is undefended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

Does this include the rosvergardya (or however it is spelled)? Cause that's another 300k soldiers or so, of course those are supposed to keep russia pacified. (and putin safe, but who cares about that detail.)

[Corvus]

Does this include the rosvergardya (or however it is spelled)? Cause that's another 300k soldiers or so, of course those are supposed to keep russia pacified. (and putin safe, but who cares about that detail.)

The rosgvardia aren't army. There job is internal security. Some went into Ukraine at the start of the war when they thought it would be over in 3 days and they just needed the rosgvardia thugs to pacify the civilians. Turns out they were no good against people who fight back.

[Gabriel]

yes they did (again). Some posters here were "they cant be THAT reckless"

what a timeline to be in where they literally mostly ran in on foot with the full estimated numbers

Literally nobody said that. EVERYONE that has been following this conflict has always known Russian are incapable of tactics beyond "human wave" and "bomb civilians".

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a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

Lay down the sauce for once. People were telling you that they don't believe the Russians will succeed in their attack because they are beyond shit at logistics, not that they don't believe Russia will try to do something incredibly retarded that is doomed to fail.

[jonnysensible]

we need to encourage our Finnish brothers to take st petersburg and our Mongolian friends to abandon their parliamentary democracy and unite behind a great khan

[Huehuecoyotl]

a few pages ago, I recited that conversation with that moderator here, who demanded to know how they would get supplies, etc, and that my suggestion they were going to launch this "final all out assault" was just doomsday/paranoid talk.

Nope. Nobody said that. People told you that your belief that throwing 500k men at it would result in them getting to Kyev was nonsense. Hence the discussions about logistics. I don't think anybody doubted at this point in this war that Russia would be stupid enough to simply throw under-trained and under-equipped men at the front and hope a miracle occurs. But even if it somehow worked, there are still massive question marks on how they'd get those men across Ukraine if the defenders simply backed off and waited for them to follow.

As it stands, it doesn't look like this last ditch effort is going to get them anything more than a LOT of casualties and a small amount of ground. Which will get taken back pretty quickly once those modern tanks start showing up to the fight.

It's no wonder you aren't keeping up in this conversation; you don't even understand what criticisms are being levelled at your posts, much less be able to refute them.

[Iphie]

we need to encourage our Finnish brothers to take st petersburg and our Mongolian friends to abandon their parliamentary democracy and unite behind a great khan

A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

[Gabriel]

we need to encourage our Finnish brothers to take st petersburg and our Mongolian friends to abandon their parliamentary democracy and unite behind a great khan

Only if someone else pays for the cleanup.

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A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

I mean, we can take the Kola Peninsula if someone is offering.

[Hansworst]

A funny as it may sound, no thanks, St. Petersburg was never Finnish land and no-one needs 5 million russians within the Finnish borders, furthermore ejecting those people would be considered bad by international law. You can say "who cares" all you want but I definitely care about legal stuff. Also, let's not do exactly what those russians want.

But Putingrad St. Petersburg is a beautiful city. Would visit it again if it was Finnish in stead of Russian.