Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Deus Mortis]

Lukashenko invites Biden to chat with him and Putin face-to-face to end the war.

Here is an easy way to end the war, Russia gets the fuck out of ALL Ukraine.

[Iphie]

Here is an easy way to end the war, Russia gets the fuck out of ALL Ukraine.

Channelling your inner Sanne Marin I see ^_^. But yea that is the first step, though I don't think it's super bad if Biden mediates.

[Veggie50]

Lukashenko invites Biden to chat with him and Putin face-to-face to end the war.

Belarus invites USA and Russia to decide Ukraines fate. You realise that says absolutely nothing right?

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Channelling your inner Sanne Marin I see ^_^. But yea that is the first step, though I don't think it's super bad if Biden mediates.

It is bad in this case, because Lukashenko intends for Ukraine to not be involved in the discussion.

[zealo]

Lukashenko invites Biden to chat with him and Putin face-to-face to end the war.

Any serious analysis of that would read it as Russia still not being actually serious about negotiations, when they're still seeking to exclude the government of Ukraine from being the other primary participant talks would be held with.

What Russia wants here is less a negotiation under which terms Russia buggers off, and more "stop supporting them so this can end in a Russian victory".

[Iphie]

Belarus invites USA and Russia to decide Ukraines fate. You realise that says absolutely nothing right?

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It is bad in this case, because Lukashenko intends for Ukraine to not be involved in the discussion.

I obviously mean: if Biden mediates between Zelenskyy and putin, who cares what Lukashenko wants? The only consideration he gets is for not sending troops.

[Gabriel]

Treason in Wartime? Does Germany still execute people for that?

They should.

[Poopymonster]

Treason in Wartime? Does Germany still execute people for that?

Hex-Y-Poo. Wiki-Res-Cue!

[zealo]

They should.

Opinions on that aside, a lengthier prison sentence seems more likely to be what's in store for this Carsten L.

Technically Germany is not at war with any of the belligerents here, and they've abolished capital punishment by now.

[Twdft]

, and they've abolished capital punishment by now.

Fun fact: the state constitution of Hessia included the death penalty until 2018. Which didn't practically matter because Germanys Basic Law abolished it in 1949 and state constitutions can only increase your rights above Basic Law, not make it worse for you.

[YUPPIE]

remember a while ago when I mentioned South Africa joining Russia's war, and you people laughed it off saying they won't do shit? Least of all provide soldiers. Well, it seems like they have officially joined the new Axis

Russia, China and South Africa are set to begin naval drills off South Africa’s Indian Ocean coast Friday in a demonstration of the three countries’ close ties amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s tense relationship with the West.

The 10 days of exercises, named Mosi II, will coincide with the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24.

A Russian frigate, the Admiral Gorshkov, arrived in Cape Town earlier this week sporting the letters Z and V on its sides, letters that mark Russian weapons on the front lines in Ukraine and are used as a patriotic symbol in Russia.

In protest, a small yacht flying Ukraine’s flag sailed by the Russian frigate in Cape Town’s harbor. South African protesters opposed to the exercises are expected to demonstrate at the Russian Consulate in Cape Town on Friday.

The arrival of the Admiral Gorshkov has stirred considerable controversy because it is armed with the latest Zircon hypersonic missiles, a weapon that Russia says can penetrate any missile defenses to strike targets at sea and on land.

The warship is set to test-fire a Zircon missile during the joint naval drills, according to Russian state news agency Tass. The test will be the first launch of the missile in an international exercise.

The American government believes that munitions and rocket propellant that Russia could use in the Ukraine war were loaded onto the Russian tanker, while it was docked in South Africa. U.S. is considering whether to take action against South Africa.

[Crispin]

remember a while ago when I mentioned South Africa joining Russia's war, and you people laughed it off saying they won't do shit? Least of all provide soldiers. Well, it seems like they have officially joined the new Axis

Russia, China and South Africa are set to begin naval drills off South Africa’s Indian Ocean coast Friday in a demonstration of the three countries’ close ties amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s tense relationship with the West.

The 10 days of exercises, named Mosi II, will coincide with the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24.

A Russian frigate, the Admiral Gorshkov, arrived in Cape Town earlier this week sporting the letters Z and V on its sides, letters that mark Russian weapons on the front lines in Ukraine and are used as a patriotic symbol in Russia.

In protest, a small yacht flying Ukraine’s flag sailed by the Russian frigate in Cape Town’s harbor. South African protesters opposed to the exercises are expected to demonstrate at the Russian Consulate in Cape Town on Friday.

The arrival of the Admiral Gorshkov has stirred considerable controversy because it is armed with the latest Zircon hypersonic missiles, a weapon that Russia says can penetrate any missile defenses to strike targets at sea and on land.

The warship is set to test-fire a Zircon missile during the joint naval drills, according to Russian state news agency Tass. The test will be the first launch of the missile in an international exercise.

The American government believes that munitions and rocket propellant that Russia could use in the Ukraine war were loaded onto the Russian tanker, while it was docked in South Africa. U.S. is considering whether to take action against South Africa.

Nothing have changed in that regard. They still havent joined Russia in the war against Ukraine.

[YUPPIE]

Nothing have changed in that regard. They still havent joined Russia in the war against Ukraine.

how so? I mean it's not everyone, but I just provided great context

[Calfredd]

how so? I mean it's not everyone, but I just provided great context

"great" context.

[YUPPIE]

"great" context.

The SA perpetrators in this exercise have already tried to justify themselves

A White House spokesperson said in January: "The United States has concerns about any country... exercising with Russia as Russia wages a brutal war against Ukraine."

South Africa previously abstained from a UN vote condemning the invasion. It also refused to join the US and Europe in imposing sanctions on Russia.

The South African government sparked a political row when it gave permission for a superyacht called the Nord, which is linked to the sanctioned Russian oligarch Alexey Mordashov, to dock in Cape Town - although it is thought the vessel did not actually go there.

The sanctioned Russian cargo ship, Lady R, was also allowed to unload supplies at a South African naval base. The government said it contained a delayed order for ammunition.

South Africa points out it has held four joint exercises with the US since 2011, as well as drills with France and Germany.

"All countries conduct military exercises with friends worldwide," said Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor, during a visit to her country by her Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov in January.

She said that trying to stop South Africa from conducting joint military exercises with the countries of its choice amounted to "an abuse of international practice".

[Edge-]

The SA perpetrators in this exercise have already tried to justify themselves

Eyo how many boots on the ground in Ukraine we talking about?

[YUPPIE]

Eyo how many boots on the ground in Ukraine we talking about?

Not boots, I am pretty sure I never outright said boots being a probability in my post. And if I did, it was either poorly written or misinterpreted.

The big problem is South Africa, like North Korea, is likely providing technology and munitions to Russia. Additionally, conducting exercises is training them for the war machine. That is why the West is concerned and contemplating sanctions.

Even if the conscripts amount to a few people, like another poster reported on African sightings, SA is still heavily contributing from a supportive role.

[Deus Mortis]

Not boots, I am pretty sure I never outright said boots being a probability in my post. And if I did, it was either poorly written or misinterpreted.

The big problem is South Africa, like North Korea, is likely providing technology and munitions to Russia. Additionally, conducting exercises is training them for the war machine. That is why the West is concerned and contemplating sanctions.

Even if the conscripts amount to a few people, like another poster reported on African sightings, SA is still heavily contributing from a supportive role.

Define heavily contributing. Cause doing war drills with a country does not count. How many soldiers have they supplied? How much ordnance?

[YUPPIE]

Define heavily contributing. Cause doing war drills with a country does not count. How many soldiers have they supplied? How much ordnance?

1) Providing technology, munitions, supplies is heavily contributing. Additionally, allowing the transport of the aforementioned in secrecy - like with North Korea - is heavily contributing.

2) War drills with Russia at this time does count. That's training them no different from how Ukrainians get daily training with Western nations. Making them smarter and more capable of killing Ukrainians via trial and error rather than "error and death."

3) A few volunteers at least.

4) Well, that's why this whole thing made headlines. That is a new development from Lavrov sealing an alliance a few weeks ago.

[Elder Millennial]

1) Providing technology, munitions, supplies is heavily contributing. Additionally, allowing the transport of the aforementioned in secrecy - like with North Korea - is heavily contributing.

2) War drills with Russia at this time does count. That's training them no different from how Ukrainians get daily training with Western nations. Making them smarter and more capable of killing Ukrainians via trial and error rather than "error and death."

3) A few volunteers at least.

4) Well, that's why this whole thing made headlines. That is a new development from Lavrov sealing an alliance a few weeks ago.

Dude. Fucking stop.

Please. Just fucking stop.

Give me one fucking report of a single fucking African volunteer or whatnot in Ukraine fighting for Russia. You already did this routine a week ago with the Malians.

Not a single fucking South African is going to get himself killed in Ukraine for Russia.

Prove that South Africa has given or sold Russia a single fucking round of ammunition, or provide a source that would claim this is happening.

South Africa has one arms manufacturer. Denel.

Currently Denel is on the verge of bankruptcy and collapse due to mismanagement and corruption. It can't really build much, and almost everything that it can and has contracts for are stuff built in NATO calibers or to NATO standards because Denel's main market are countries that mostly use Western hand me down gear.

Meaning Denel isn't going to sell 155mm Howitzers to Russia or whatnot at 45 million dollars a pop because the Russians literally can't afford that shit, and they don't have the ammo for it. Not for anything else Denel could possibly make.

Not to mention, this would be a one time sale followed by Denel immediately going out of business. South Africa doesn't have a large electronics or machine tooling sector, it's highly dependant on Western suppliers who would instantly cut them off and sanction them.

Again, I don't even know why am I bothering with going so in depth with trying to reason with you.

[Veggie50]

remember a while ago when I mentioned South Africa joining Russia's war, and you people laughed it off saying they won't do shit? Least of all provide soldiers. Well, it seems like they have officially joined the new Axis

Russia, China and South Africa are set to begin naval drills off South Africa’s Indian Ocean coast Friday in a demonstration of the three countries’ close ties amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s tense relationship with the West.

The 10 days of exercises, named Mosi II, will coincide with the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24.

A Russian frigate, the Admiral Gorshkov, arrived in Cape Town earlier this week sporting the letters Z and V on its sides, letters that mark Russian weapons on the front lines in Ukraine and are used as a patriotic symbol in Russia.

In protest, a small yacht flying Ukraine’s flag sailed by the Russian frigate in Cape Town’s harbor. South African protesters opposed to the exercises are expected to demonstrate at the Russian Consulate in Cape Town on Friday.

The arrival of the Admiral Gorshkov has stirred considerable controversy because it is armed with the latest Zircon hypersonic missiles, a weapon that Russia says can penetrate any missile defenses to strike targets at sea and on land.

The warship is set to test-fire a Zircon missile during the joint naval drills, according to Russian state news agency Tass. The test will be the first launch of the missile in an international exercise.

The American government believes that munitions and rocket propellant that Russia could use in the Ukraine war were loaded onto the Russian tanker, while it was docked in South Africa. U.S. is considering whether to take action against South Africa.

Oh you poor rusbot… we didn’t laugh it off because they would never do it, qe laughed it off because it would be completely silly and of little consequence. Now go back to suckin putin cock.