1. #29081
    A Russian envoy freshly claims that the West is attempting to destroy Russia

    A week before the anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin’s U.N. ambassador claimed that the West is driven by its determination to destroy Russia and declared: “We had no choice other than to defend our country — defend it from you, to defend our identity and our future.”

    Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia accused Western nations including France and Germany of “holding back” on implementing the Minsk agreements brokered by the two countries to end the conflict between Ukraine and the separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk in the country’s mostly Russian-speaking industrial east that flared in April 2014 after Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

    Nebenzia accused the West of “deep Russophobia,” and a “determination to destroy my country, using others if possible.” And he claimed it is not interested “in building a European and Euro-Atlantic security system together with Russia” because “for you such a system can only be aimed against Russia.”

    “We have no trust left in you and we are not able of believing any promises you make — not as regards a non-expansion of NATO in the east, or your desire not to interfere in our internal affairs, or your determination to live in peace,” Nebenzia said.

    “You have shown that it’s impossible to negotiate with you,” he said. “You’ve shown how treacherous you are by creating on our borders a neo-Nazi, neo-nationalist beehive and then stirring it up.”
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  2. #29082
    He's not wrong. I do want to see russia destroyed.

  3. #29083
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I know it's hard and I'm having trouble with it also but can we just ignore it? The mods won't do anything about it and it will keep posting like this adding nothing to the actual discussion.
    Doesn’t matter, yuppie doesn’t really respond to anything, just regurgitates propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    You have to wonder how stubborn some Russian citizens are to either believe Putin's lies or how deluded they are that this war is worth it, and then how long it will take for them to stop being that way and see some modicum of sense.
    I wouldn't hold my breath

  5. #29085
    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    You have to wonder how stubborn some Russian citizens are to either believe Putin's lies or how deluded they are that this war is worth it, and then how long it will take for them to stop being that way and see some modicum of sense.
    I mean propaganda works. Just look here in the west where people are so separated from reality that they believe the likes of Piers Morgan, Tucker Carlson, Shapiro, Brexiteers and their ilk. We're lucky we have other media sources, but if they were to vanish the west outlook would not be so much different than Russia's within a generation. Plus if they had their way they'd also push their followers into a murder frenzy towards the "wrong" people. We basically had one in the west last week.

  6. #29086
    so apparently, it doesn't matter if you're a rapist or killer, if you serve the time in Ukraine and come back alive, Putin will personally pardon you

    President Vladimir Putin has personally pardoned Russian convicts who fight in Ukraine with the Kremlin-linked Wagner mercenary group, a Russian investigative journalist reported Friday.

    Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin said last month that the first recruited inmates had been pardoned as promised after completing a six-month term of service.

    The release of convict soldiers has sparked questions about the move's legality, given that jailed Russians may only walk free before finishing their sentence if they receive a presidential pardon.

    A convicted murderer and a convicted robber received clemency and had their criminal records expunged on July 6, Zakharov said.

    One of them appeared in a video next to Prigozhin six months later.

    “Released from further serving his sentence on the basis of a presidential pardon decree,” the convicts’ files published by Zakharov state.

    A similarly worded document with the same July 6 date was spotted in an October 2022 video of wounded Wagner fighters posted by Prigozhin’s press service, the German broadcaster Deutsche Well said last week.

    Analysis of Russian presidential publications dated from July 5-8 shows several decrees missing from a numbered list, prompting speculation that they may contain a secret list of recruited Wagner fighters who had received Putin’s pardons.

    The Kremlin has declined to comment on the reported presidential pardons, citing the secrecy of some decrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    so apparently, it doesn't matter if you're a rapist or killer, if you serve the time in Ukraine and come back alive, Putin will personally pardon you
    Big IF, since the convicts are the main cannon fodder of their forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    so apparently, it doesn't matter if you're a rapist or killer, if you serve the time in Ukraine and come back alive, Putin will personally pardon you

    President Vladimir Putin has personally pardoned Russian convicts who fight in Ukraine with the Kremlin-linked Wagner mercenary group, a Russian investigative journalist reported Friday.

    Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin said last month that the first recruited inmates had been pardoned as promised after completing a six-month term of service.

    The release of convict soldiers has sparked questions about the move's legality, given that jailed Russians may only walk free before finishing their sentence if they receive a presidential pardon.

    A convicted murderer and a convicted robber received clemency and had their criminal records expunged on July 6, Zakharov said.

    One of them appeared in a video next to Prigozhin six months later.

    “Released from further serving his sentence on the basis of a presidential pardon decree,” the convicts’ files published by Zakharov state.

    A similarly worded document with the same July 6 date was spotted in an October 2022 video of wounded Wagner fighters posted by Prigozhin’s press service, the German broadcaster Deutsche Well said last week.

    Analysis of Russian presidential publications dated from July 5-8 shows several decrees missing from a numbered list, prompting speculation that they may contain a secret list of recruited Wagner fighters who had received Putin’s pardons.

    The Kremlin has declined to comment on the reported presidential pardons, citing the secrecy of some decrees.
    My man, 50000 convicts went in 200 or so got their pardon, the rest? Well...the sunflower crop will be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I hate shit like this because it gives the impression they turn a blind eye unless it suits their interests; Russia has been doing war crimes on-footage since last year. Why declare this now? Over a year into non-stop daily atrocities.
    Well, to be fair, We (The USA) would ignore it if it suits our interests (looking at the Saudis v Yemen)
    have plenty of times before, and Im sure we'll overlook it in the future if its worth enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I know it's hard and I'm having trouble with it also but can we just ignore it? The mods won't do anything about it and it will keep posting like this adding nothing to the actual discussion.
    because allowing such bullshit to be said unchallenged leads to the claim of "and you wont refute it cause its true!!"
    so as annoying as it is to constantly slap down the same stupidity over and over and over.
    It has to be done
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

  10. #29090
    Russia as a whole seems like a third-world country now, detached from what the regular person would consider normal.

    On another murder story though: Kremlin critic, Andrei Pivovarov, missing amid prison transfer.

    Pivovarov, who was sentenced to four years in prison last year, was transferred from a detention center in southern Russia in December.

    The group's Russia director, Natalia Zvyagina, called the Russian prison transfer system "Dire," and urged authorities to disclose Pivovarov's location and release him.

    Asked whether there was any point in opposition activism in recent years, given that the Kremlin either imprisoned or drove most activists out of Russia Pivovarov said "There most certainly was," but he acknowledged some things could have been done differently.

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    I just want to reiterate this is sadly the fate of opposing or failing Putin if you are close to his sphere of influence. We've seen countless stories of generals sacked, journalists killed, disappeared, all for crossing him.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-02-18 at 08:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post

    because allowing such bullshit to be said unchallenged leads to the claim of "and you wont refute it cause its true!!"
    so as annoying as it is to constantly slap down the same stupidity over and over and over.
    It has to be done
    On twitter sure. On here? A deeply incestuous community in a state of decline. No. All you do is magnify the posts you seek to "push back" on.

    All the Russia shills got sent to the front lines, no one posts explicitly pro Russian propaganda here. You just have Yuppie who may be a chat bot being trained to discuss the Ukraine conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    On twitter sure. On here? A deeply incestuous community in a state of decline. No. All you do is magnify the posts you seek to "push back" on.

    All the Russia shills got sent to the front lines, no one posts explicitly pro Russian propaganda here. You just have Yuppie who may be a chat bot being trained to discuss the Ukraine conflict.
    what happened to gilrak or whatever the little commie

  13. #29093
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    IIRC, he changed name (JohnBrown1917, if memory serves), then eventually got a permaban for whatever reason.
    oh yea prolly being a numpty

    6 days till putins big speech

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    what happened to gilrak or whatever the little commie
    No idea, but this a left wing death spiral now. Down to tehdang who I think might be a real account and 2 active parody accounts fueling the entire discourse of the forum because everyone else has been chased out. It's super boring.

    It's a massive shame that the right can't even be described as a dumpster fire right now. Intellectually and morally hollowed out to the point where it's either a rabid dog in need of taking out back or a grift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    oh yea prolly being a numpty

    6 days till putins big speech
    3 days right? He's addressing the Duma on the 21st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    3 days right? He's addressing the Duma on the 21st.
    Can't wait for that speech. Can't declare a victory, for the war continues on until all stolen land is returned and all invaders are dead or sentenced to life in prison. Can't declare defeat or withdrawal, because Putin wants to live.

    Can state random propaganda and heart-wrenching bullshit story why new mobilization is gonna be needed to "save the motherland" from evil West.

    I, for one, eagerly await for the speech!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Can't wait for that speech. Can't declare a victory, for the war continues on until all stolen land is returned and all invaders are dead or sentenced to life in prison. Can't declare defeat or withdrawal, because Putin wants to live.

    Can state random propaganda and heart-wrenching bullshit story why new mobilization is gonna be needed to "save the motherland" from evil West.

    I, for one, eagerly await for the speech!
    Actually, after having told the russian populace on multiple occasions that putin's speech won't be about mobilization he can't really do that either unless he wants to risk a revolt. I mean while russians know he lies, lying about another mobilization is not useful.

    But yes we'll see, apparently China has a peace plan which involves russia respecting the territorial integrity of Ukraine. (I'll believe it when I see it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    6 days till putins big speech
    How do you spell "Mission Accomplished" in Russian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    But yes we'll see, apparently China has a peace plan which involves russia respecting the territorial integrity of Ukraine. (I'll believe it when I see it.)
    Wouldn't be surprised. China doesn't want this war, doesn't like border movements and likes making money (It doesn't recognize Crimea as Russian let alone the other areas).

  20. #29100
    The US thinks China is assisting Russia with non-lethal aid.

    But not for long, as Blinken believes China will join the war in an official capacity with lethal aid.

    Secretary of State Antony Blinken said China is “strongly considering” providing Russia with “lethal assistance” in its nearly year-long war with Ukraine.

    Blinken, who met with his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on the margins of the Munich Security Conference on Saturday, said he warned Beijing against such a move.

    “China is trying to have it both ways,” Blinken told NBC News’ Chuck Todd in an interview set to air on Sunday. “Publicly, they present themselves as a country striving for peace in Ukraine. But privately, as I said, we’ve seen already over these past months the provision of non-lethal assistance that does go directly to aiding and abetting Russia’s war effort.”

    He added that further information indicates that Beijing is considering providing “materiel support to Russia’s war effort that would have a lethal effect.”

    However, Blinken noted that China has not yet provided lethal assistance to Russia.

    “We see China considering this. We have not seen them cross that line,” he said. “So, I think it’s important that we make clear, as I did this evening in my meeting with Wang Yi, that this is something that is of deep concern to us.”

    “I made clear the importance of not crossing that line and the fact that it would have serious consequences on our own relationship, something that we do not need on top of the balloon incident that China is engaged in,” Blinken added.
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    Overall, I deem China a threat against Ukraine's interests.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2023-02-19 at 03:48 AM.
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