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    Some of the "listeners" nodding off or sleeping. And Putin speaking of grain exports that has been great for Russia. Now that you mention it, the finnish word for "export" also resembles "taking", which sure is the only reason Russia got more grain - stealing all the way

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    Take out the first part and this feels like a MAGA speech but swap first A with R

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    You know, for all russia hyped this speech, I was expecting something more substantial than a childish temper tantrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    You know, for all russia hyped this speech, I was expecting something more substantial than a childish temper tantrum.
    Why? A childish temper tantrum is very typical of autocrats.
    What I find odd is that ANYONE would find it impressive. It's just a loony ranting and raving on stage. It's comical, not charismatic.
    Like people say of Hitler: "well atleast he was charismatic". No he wasn't, unless you have a single digit IQ.

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    English translator seemingly got Skype dc'd

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    BBC decided to cut off from the speech at roughly 10:40 uk time just as he mentioned NATO over something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    BBC decided to cut off from the speech at roughly 10:40 uk time just as he mentioned NATO over something.
    You're not missing much. It's just more lies.

    Ah, the cunt finally finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    You're not missing much. It's just more lies.
    Seems like it was mostly SALT stuff I missed.

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    Finished up by saying they were suspending participation in the START treaty. You know, the one they have been ignoring for a long time anyway.

    He just had to get his nuclear weenie out at least once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    He just had to get his nuclear weenie out at least once.
    Well, it's all they have left. Their military is a laughing stock around the world.

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    So to sum up, no declaration of war, no mobilization, loads of impotent rage and crying about his nuclear security blankey?

    Also: can we get to the part where they start shooting eachother?
    Last edited by Iphie; 2023-02-21 at 11:05 AM.

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    Prigozhin better stay away from buildings that have windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Finished up by saying they were suspending participation in the START treaty. You know, the one they have been ignoring for a long time anyway.

    He just had to get his nuclear weenie out at least once.
    he threw it in for yuppie personally

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    Its just theatrics for the peanut gallery making a big deal out of formally declaring things that everyone knows they’ve already been doing for years now.

    Bet it excites Yuppie real good, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    I wonder if this was made when Trump was president and the idea of him at least attempting to pull the US out of NATO seemed realistic if he won a second term.
    That was never his real aim. The whole trump stick was that he wanted to lessen the military expenditure of the us.
    As the us historically and in the present always has taken the vast burden of maintaining the power of nato.
    The 2% expenditure of gdp was agreed upon commonly back in 2006 but was never really followed through on by member states.

    Trump wanted to make that mandatory (not just him tbh many of the less dovish nato members wanted to make that mandatory).
    Like a pay your bills or else we let the wolves eat you.
    It worked somewhat but not very well sadly. As no major threat presented itself clearly, it was hard for governments to defend the extra expenditure.
    And worse yet it was a very lose threat, the option never presented itself as something realistic. (Strategically the loss of such vast/ important territories would always mean it was never going to be a genuine option).

    Now the climate is somewhat different you could say lol, and we can thank Putin for that.
    Shame that we needed something like this to wake up.

    But understandable at the same time, we in europe have enjoyed the american peace for so long that people have come to believe it is something natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    To be fair, the first part, the expanded military cooperation has already happened.

    But yeah, the NATO countries are not going to happen. It's amazing how disconnected they are and how delusional they are about this stuff.
    Hindsight is 20/20. If this document sets out the first phase to be finished in 2022, then it was authored before the invasion and probably years earlier. They expected Ukraine to roll over. We know it did not happen but it was not altogether unrealistic - if they had succeeded in taking Kyiv in a coup de main, the decapitated country may have become paralysed long enough for their purposes. That in turn would have created a different picture for NATO. Especially if they counted on Trump holding the US back from intervening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Seems like it was mostly SALT stuff I missed.
    There was certainly a lot of salt. Such a lot as you would need if, say, someone was to warp in a few spaceships full of popcorn.

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    SALT as "Strategic Arms Limitation Talks?" Which in turn led to START; Strategic Arms Reduction Treaties, which proposed limits on multiple-warhead capacities and other restrictions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    That's really kinda the case everywhere, isn't it? I mean the US does it, the Netherlands, the britts, pretty much everyone.
    But it was Russia who had a systemic doping plan going on in which even Ministry of Sport was involved. "Win at all cost" is ruskies mentality. Gotta show their supposed supremacy, even if cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    But it was Russia who had a systemic doping plan going on in which even Ministry of Sport was involved. "Win at all cost" is ruskies mentality. Gotta show their supposed supremacy, even if cheating.
    Clearly you've missed the DDR... I'm not saying russia didn't do it but boy were they put to shame by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Clearly you've missed the DDR... I'm not saying russia didn't do it but boy were they put to shame by them.
    And if the DDR still existed and competed we would be all for banning them.

    I fail to see how this is not just whataboutism.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Clearly you've missed the DDR... I'm not saying russia didn't do it but boy were they put to shame by them.
    And what it has to do with anything? We are talking about here and now. And here and now is Russia being so goddamn systemically corrupt that they can't even compete fairly in sport. Good riddance.
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