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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
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    Yeah, that particular "plausible deniability" isn't going to work when he had just totally coincidentally coupled it with "hugo". Hugo, like...Hugo Boss, a designer of nazi wardrobe and avid nazi party member.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    ...and?

    Do these idiots believe the "not one inch east" bullshit because they're smoothbrains who have never had a critical thought in their head? rofl

    Russa simps are kinda funny.
    Even if there was provocation it doesn’t justify sending your own boys into the meat grinder in an offensive action. It’s asinine even from the Russian perspective as far as I can tell.

    Edit: America’s got its own skeletons *cough* Gulf of Tonkin *cough* but doing something stupid ‘because everyone else is doing it’ is sophomoric at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Even if there was provocation it doesn’t justify sending your own boys into the meat grinder in an offensive action. It’s asinine even from the Russian perspective as far as I can tell.
    It depends on what justification you're using.

    That it's all a special operation to denazify Ukraine?

    Or they're liberating the parts of Ukraine that want to join Russia?

    Or they're battling NATO forces who are already in Ukraine?

    I'm sure I'm forgetting at least a dozen other excuses they've come up with over the past year of their 3 day special operation.

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    Nato doesn't want to move east. countries to the east of NATO desperately want in because NATO is their only protection from Russia.
    The entire 'NATO moving east' only exists because Russia threatens its neighbours constantly.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Nato doesn't want to move east. countries to the east of NATO desperately want in because NATO is their only protection from Russia.
    The entire 'NATO moving east' only exists because Russia threatens its neighbours constantly.
    Well, that and also because most of those countries have a history of being under the boots of the Russians for half a century, they weren't about to take any chances with Russia pulling a repeat once the country stood back up after falling on it's ass in the 90s.

    Which by what we've been seeing over the past decades from Russia were an entirely correct assessment.

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    When he isn't rambling on about gay Jewish nazi Satanists, pootie has made it clear this war is part of his dream of restoring the russian empire. The only reason place like the Baltics aren't suffering like Ukraine is they are part of NATO.

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    *Ron Howard voice*
    Hasan Piker was a year late in getting to that hill.



    Looking back a year into this thread. You can see which posters use twitch as their primary source for news and politics.
    Or the real weirdos that played too much Metal Gear instead of going through puberty. Now they think nuclear annihilation is behind every corner.

    Hmmmm maybe these should also go in the unpopular opinion thred.
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    I'll admit I was also kind of in that boat at first; they were projecting their next move so much that it felt like it -had- to be a ruse because it was so obvious what they were doing, and that they'd just use the 'hysteria' by the west as a political victory. I'd just assumed they would continue to arm and train insurgents in Ukraine's eastern regions and chip the country away piece by piece with plausible deniability.

    And I'll admit I was wrong, because I bought into the notion that Putin was much more cunning than he actually turned out to be, and severely underestimated the level of rank corruption and lack of coordination plaguing their ranks. They'd been punching down on ill equipped nations and propped up by super villain memes for so long I'll shamefully admit I bought into the hype about their military capabilities.

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    The war has now reached its one year mark. Impressive for a 3 day operation.

    I expect we will see a major terrorist missile attack to mark it. And pootie's demand that Bakhmut be taken by the anniversary has also failed.

    What hasn't is the insanity on russian state TV. The latest is they want to nuke Yellowstone to trigger a supervolcano. Putting aside failing basic science, they are referring to using the Sarmat. You know, the missile that failed in testing just a couple of days ago.

    If russia seems to be pushing the Sarmat a lot of late, its because they have to. The plan was to have replaced all their ICBMs by now with Sarmats, just like they were going to have thousands of T14s operational by now too. Except it isn't operational yet and so they are still relying on their older missiles. Missiles that were build back in the Soviet days in Ukraine, and largely maintained from their as well. When they burned that bridge, they decided to go with a homegrown ICBM, the Sarmat, which they have been working on for a decade now and still haven't got operational.

  10. #29250
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo88 View Post
    This guy nails what the Ukraine -Russia conflict is about

    And Furthermore, the $$ that is being sent to the Ukraine could help fix some of America's problems
    like Homelessness, Medical & Crime.

    The US War Machine keeps rolling and NATO keeps trying to go east
    Would this be a bad time to point out that "Ukraine Military Aid" is such a minuscule portion of the American Government budget that this idea is laughable?

    If the Americans actually wanted to deal with Homelessness, Medical & Crime problems, they could do that 2x over with just a portion of their military budget and still have plenty of money left over to throw at Ukraine.

    Of course, that will never happen, because the American Government really isn't interested in seriously dealing with Homelessness, Medial & Crime issues, but that's an entirely different discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Would this be a bad time to point out that "Ukraine Military Aid" is such a minuscule portion of the American Government budget that this idea is laughable?

    If the Americans actually wanted to deal with Homelessness, Medical & Crime problems, they could do that 2x over with just a portion of their military budget and still have plenty of money left over to throw at Ukraine.

    Of course, that will never happen, because the American Government really isn't interested in seriously dealing with Homelessness, Medial & Crime issues, but that's an entirely different discussion.
    It’s even more interesting when you consider that the people (read, the GOP) who ostensibly criticize the US expenditures in Ukraine in lieu of spending on domestic issues are the exact same group of people that are staunchly against doing anything to fix any of those issues.

    “We could be using this money to fix X, Y and Z! Of course if you try and use money to fix X, Y and Z we will block you at every step of the way and call you socialists for your troubles. BUT until you do the thing we won’t let you do, we’re going to keep bitching about anything else you do!”

    Now, what hostile foreign country that has a vested interest in the weakening of Ukrainian resistance and has been found to have close ties to numerous Republican individuals and political groups could be at play here…
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    Words to live by.

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    Yeah, I probably should have clarified that when I said "The American Government" isn't interested in dealing with those problems, I really meant "One Specific Half of the American Government, which starts with an R", but I figure that's just generally understood.

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    Chinese proposal:


    ⚡️China has published its plan to resolve the war in Ukraine

    It consists of 12 items:
    ▪️respect for the sovereignty of all countries, observance of international law and the UN Charter;
    ▪️Rejection of the Cold War mentality and adherence to the principle that "the security of one country should not be ensured at the expense of others";
    ▪️cessation of hostilities, avoidance of escalation;
    ▪️resumption of peace talks as "the only viable solution";
    ▪️resolution of the humanitarian crisis;
    ▪️protection of civilians and prisoners of war;
    ▪️Ensuring the safety of nuclear power plants;
    ▪️countering the threat of the use of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons;
    ▪️promotion of grain export within the framework of the Black Sea Grain Initiative;
    ▪️the termination of unilateral sanctions, which "do not solve current problems, but create new ones";
    ▪️supporting the stability of production chains and supply chains, refusing to use the world economy for political purposes;
    ▪️Contribute to post-conflict reconstruction.

    China ruled out achieving peace in Ukraine through the supply of weapons to us.

    Now, at face value there are some decent ideas here, and I'm not dismissing it out of hand, but I'm certainly careful when it comes to China.

    https://www.china-briefing.com/news/...united-states/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    ▪️the termination of unilateral sanctions, which "do not solve current problems, but create new ones";
    Bit fat NO. ruZZia will be punished for its actions for years or decades to come. We will not allow these warcriminals to just get away with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Bit fat NO. ruZZia will be punished for its actions for years or decades to come. We will not allow these warcriminals to just get away with this.
    In due time sanctions will be lifted, but at present nope. Some of the points are obviously more reasonable than others. I wouldn't say the plan is total shit though. (but still careful with Chinese motivations.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    In due time sanctions will be lifted, but at present nope. Some of the points are obviously more reasonable than others. I wouldn't say the plan is total shit though. (but still careful with Chinese motivations.)
    It is kinda shit though. It puts no responsibility and fault on ruZZia. They would just get to walk away without consequences (and likely with the territory they have already stolen).

    But anyway... any deal with ruZZkies is pointless. They will cease to honor it when they see fit.
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    I'm leery of another "Treaty of Versailles."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Chinese proposal:


    ⚡️China has published its plan to resolve the war in Ukraine

    It consists of 12 items:
    ▪️respect for the sovereignty of all countries, observance of international law and the UN Charter;
    ▪️Rejection of the Cold War mentality and adherence to the principle that "the security of one country should not be ensured at the expense of others";
    ▪️cessation of hostilities, avoidance of escalation;
    ▪️resumption of peace talks as "the only viable solution";
    ▪️resolution of the humanitarian crisis;
    ▪️protection of civilians and prisoners of war;
    ▪️Ensuring the safety of nuclear power plants;
    ▪️countering the threat of the use of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons;
    ▪️promotion of grain export within the framework of the Black Sea Grain Initiative;
    ▪️the termination of unilateral sanctions, which "do not solve current problems, but create new ones";
    ▪️supporting the stability of production chains and supply chains, refusing to use the world economy for political purposes;
    ▪️Contribute to post-conflict reconstruction.

    China ruled out achieving peace in Ukraine through the supply of weapons to us.

    Now, at face value there are some decent ideas here, and I'm not dismissing it out of hand, but I'm certainly careful when it comes to China.

    https://www.china-briefing.com/news/...united-states/
    This very much is nothing. There is no actual proposal on what should happen and on whether Russia should withdraw (after all, it has declared new borders now). It is posturing for the global south to present themselves as peaceful vs the "warmongering" West.

  19. #29259
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'm leery of another "Treaty of Versailles."
    This wouldn't be the same thing at all. Treaty of Versailles atleast put blame and consequences on someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    This very much is nothing. There is no actual proposal on what should happen and on whether Russia should withdraw (after all, it has declared new borders now). It is posturing for the global south to present themselves as peaceful vs the "warmongering" West.
    New borders that China doesn't recognise, it is implicit in this that russia has to fuck off from Ukrainian territory. (first point addresses this.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'm leery of another "Treaty of Versailles."
    I could not agree more, but this is not that as there is no blame assigned.

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