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    I'm sure they have T34's to roll out of storage too. Might aswell. Can't go much worse than human wave attacks. ...Actually, I'm sure it does, but it can work as cope cage for the mobiks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    I cant say in that case . But yeah, its nato country.
    Oh and you would be suprised how much people blaber abauth any secrets in those resturants.
    Oh I know. (just saying "loose lips sink ships )
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    Aren't blue helmets deployed by the UN Security Council? Then it will never happen because Russia will veto it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    I'm sure they have T34's to roll out of storage too. Might aswell. Can't go much worse than human wave attacks. ...Actually, I'm sure it does, but it can work as cope cage for the mobiks.
    Look when they roll out the "Tsar tank" I think we should consider their perseverance....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Aren't blue helmets deployed by the UN Security Council? Then it will never happen because Russia will veto it.
    UN peacekeeping forces aren't really meant to handle wars of this intensity anyway.

    There might be a place for that later when this inevitably reaches a stage closer to an actually respected ceasefire by both sides, but not now.

    E.g see this snippet from the link to the UN page up above
    UN military personnel can be called upon to:

    Protect civilians and UN personnel;
    Monitor a disputed border;
    Monitor and observe peace processes in post-conflict areas
    Provide security across a conflict zone;
    Provide security during elections;
    Assist in-country military personnel with training and support
    Assist ex-combatants in implementing the peace agreements; they may have signed.
    There isn't a whole lot of that UN troops could really feasibly do at this stage.
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    I question if any country would even be willing to supply troops for a blue helm force when your opposite Russia and them trying something results in triggering WW3.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    It's China. You can count on it that their stance would change the moment ruZZia says " our terms for peace is we can keep what we already have, da?".
    Can we? Can you show us an example of them doing this before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    It's China. You can count on it that their stance would change the moment ruZZia says " our terms for peace is we can keep what we already have, da?".
    Doubtful. Anything like that would put the perception on Taiwan and maybe areas like Tibet and Xinjian (I think that's the province) into doubt. Basically "If we accept Ukraine is willing to negotiate away oblasts, we're also willing to do the same." slipper slope. China doesn't recognize any claims Russia has on any Ukrainian territory including Crimea, China is certainly evil, corrupt, *insert list of crimes here* but they also look out for their own interests. Territorial exchanges are against this.

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    The thing about the Chinese proposition is that it's all fluff.

    It doesn't matter what they actually mean in point 1, because they give no route to it. Ukraine cannot agree to give Russia all it's territory, it'd cease to exist if they did. On the other side, if Russia was willing to respect the Ukrainian borders we wouldn't be here in the first place. They could end the war by leaving at any point, they're the aggressors.

    ANY suggestion that doesn't include an actionable solution to that impasse is worthless, because that is what the fighting is about in the first place. It will not, CAN not, end until there is a resolution to 'who owns this territory'. Saying that they should just talk about it is stupid if you're not adding a new, very compelling, piece of information to the conversation that changes it fundamentally.

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    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...sy-2023-02-24/

    Activists protesting against Russia's invasion of Ukraine parked a destroyed, rusty tank directly in front of the Russian embassy in Berlin on Friday, bringing a piece of the battlefield to the centre of the German capital.

    "The broken tank signifies downfall. Ukraine is going to be Putin's Stalingrad," said Wieland Giebel, curator of the Berlin Story Bunker museum, referring to Germany's defeat in a major battle in World War Two.
    The tank, a Russian T-72 B1, was destroyed on March 31, 2022, close to the village of Dmytrivka near Kyiv, by an anti-tank mine, according to organiser Giebel and colleague Enno Lenze.
    Suck on that. Enjoy going to work at that embassy


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    Sweden will join other countries by sending Leopard tanks.
    But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
    Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.

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    Lets not forget that China's definition of 'internationally recognised borders' is not the same as everyone else's. They illegally occupy lands and have claims on land belonging to pretty much all of their neighbours. No different to russia really.

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    The only ceasefire Ukraine should agree to is one that allows Russia an rapid but organized withdrawl.

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    Welp, whatever we think of China's peace plan is irrelevant, Ukraine sees some merit in the plan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ith-sick-putin

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china-...ol-2023-02-24/

    Mind they are cautious, but not completely dismissive.

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    It is probably that they know China is the key to getting russia out of Ukraine and that China even talking about it now is a sign it is affecting china enough to start talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Welp, whatever we think of China's peace plan is irrelevant, Ukraine sees some merit in the plan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ith-sick-putin

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china-...ol-2023-02-24/

    Mind they are cautious, but not completely dismissive.
    Zelenskiy kinda has to be willing to entertain peace plans. If not he's just a warmonger like Putin. Now he does not have to agree to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    The only ceasefire Ukraine should agree to is one that allows Russia an rapid but organized withdrawl.
    Nobody should agree to a ceasefire with russia because russia lies. They are free to withdraw under fire if they really want to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Zelenskiy kinda has to be willing to entertain peace plans. If not he's just a warmonger like Putin. Now he does not have to agree to anything.
    I'm pretty sure Zelensky's peace plan is "Russia fucks off back to Russia." Russia is not owed a single centimeter of Ukrainian soil, no matter how many Russians died on it or how many warcrimes Russia committed to get there. Zelenskiy is not a warmonger for not accepting anything less than total Russian retreat.

    Russia seems to have no interest in doing that, and they need no international cajoling to do so. They could literally affect that change tomorrow, all on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I'm pretty sure Zelensky's peace plan is "Russia fucks off back to Russia." Russia is not owed a single centimeter of Ukrainian soil, no matter how many Russians died on it or how many warcrimes Russia committed to get there. Zelenskiy is not a warmonger for not accepting anything less than total Russian retreat.

    Russia seems to have no interest in doing that, and they need no international cajoling to do so. They could literally affect that change tomorrow, all on their own.
    Yeah, but if he doesn't budge at all no matter how reasonable a plan is, and I'm not saying this one is the holy grail, public opinion will turn against him.

    We may be able to see it that way, but realities on the battlefield and the part of the population which is less inclined to support Ukraine might dictate another direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Lets not forget that China's definition of 'internationally recognised borders' is not the same as everyone else's. They illegally occupy lands and have claims on land belonging to pretty much all of their neighbours. No different to russia really.
    ...Again...China does not even recognise the Crimean occupation. Their internationally recognised borders of Ukraine are the same as ours.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    ...Again...China does not even recognise the Crimean occupation. Their internationally recognised borders of Ukraine are the same as ours.
    And again, China are not going to broker a peace treaty that in any way undermines their "justified" belief that Taiwan is part of their country. They might be playing the peacemaker in this scenario, but their motives cannot be trusted.

    Russia is doing to Ukraine precisely what China wants to do with Taiwan. Bring it back to the fold by whatever means necessary.
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