Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

I'm 110% fine with it if it was Ukraine that blew up the pipeline. I don't believe they did tho.

[Benggaul]

Just to interject: "Pro-Ukrainian" does not necessarily mean "Ukrainian". The details are sketchy at best. It could just as easily been pro-Ukraine Russians (yes, they exist, albeit in the minority) or other nationalities.

[Fuiking]

Just to interject: "Pro-Ukrainian" does not necessarily mean "Ukrainian". The details are sketchy at best. It could just as easily been pro-Ukraine Russians (yes, they exist, albeit in the minority) or other nationalities.

or the dutch seceretly did, so they can sell more gas to Germany? :5head thinking:

[diller]

I see we don't need Yuppie to make this thread go bananaz.

I think Orange is having a breakdown because I noticed he was harassing someone else in another thread.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Peter Zeihan talks the war, Russia, the US, globalism, demographics, and the world economic effects of the next 30 years.



I dunno too much about a lot of this stuff admittedly, beyond what little I've researched, but this guy seems pretty knowledgeable about what he's talking about. Overall I'd assume it's a good video. But please do tell me what sorts of vehement disagreements you have with it.

[Gabriel]

Peter Zeihan talks the war, Russia, the US, globalism, demographics, and the world economic effects of the next 30 years.



I dunno too much about a lot of this stuff admittedly, beyond what little I've researched, but this guy seems pretty knowledgeable about what he's talking about. Overall I'd assume it's a good video. But please do tell me what sorts of vehement disagreements you have with it.

His episode on Joe Rogan is worth watching completely through.

[jonnysensible]

His episode on Joe Rogan is worth watching completely through.

joe rogan on page 1488 nice.

[Corvus]

Zeihan has a bit of a mixed reputation. He has been predicting the collapse of China for years now.

Back to the whole squirrel eating thing, I've seen a number of people talking about this and how it is all for internal messaging. And that message is that russians better prepare for serious shortages in support of the war. They had better get used to living on cabbage stew and porridge again (even as pootie continues to chow down on caviar and other luxuries) because they are russians and they have to sacrifice to support pooties war. If those soft foreigners are willing to eat squirrel to continue supporting Ukraine, the russians can out-suffer them.

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Germany says the nord-stream blast could have been a false flag attack to try and smear Ukraine.

[Iphie]

Germany says the nord-stream blast could have been a false flag attack to try and smear Ukraine.

ok, sure, I can believe it, but who would have done it then? Because RUSSIA denies it was Ukraine. If russia was going all in on this I'd understand Germany's stance. But now the question is who is smearing Ukraine? Because it isn't russia...

[Corvus]

ok, sure, I can believe it, but who would have done it then? Because RUSSIA denies it was Ukraine. If russia was going all in on this I'd understand Germany's stance. But now the question is who is smearing Ukraine? Because it isn't russia...

For now at least. russia has tried blaming a number of different actors previous, the current one being the US. They can easily change again.

The tankies are certainly using it to smear Ukraine though, saying it is proof the US support for Ukraine must end.

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Large scale missile strike going on, the first in a few weeks. Reportedly a lot are flying through Moldovan airspace to hit western Ukraine, in an effort to evade Ukrainian air defence.

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From reports coming in, this is a massive attack hitting all parts of Ukraine, north, south east and west including dangerously close to the Romanian and Polish borders.

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Strikes are still happening. Fark.

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And still ongoing. This has lasted for hours and is targeting every part of the country with cruise and ballistic missiles. Including Iskander ballistic missiles launched from Belarus.

[Saradain]

For now at least. russia has tried blaming a number of different actors previous, the current one being the US. They can easily change again.

The tankies are certainly using it to smear Ukraine though, saying it is proof the US support for Ukraine must end.

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Large scale missile strike going on, the first in a few weeks. Reportedly a lot are flying through Moldovan airspace to hit western Ukraine, in an effort to evade Ukrainian air defence.

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From reports coming in, this is a massive attack hitting all parts of Ukraine, north, south east and west including dangerously close to the Romanian and Polish borders.

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Strikes are still happening. Fark.

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And still ongoing. This has lasted for hours and is targeting every part of the country with cruise and ballistic missiles. Including Iskander ballistic missiles launched from Belarus.

That is an act of war no?

So legally, Belarus has entered the war. Which implies Belarus is now a valid military target.

[Iphie]

That is an act of war no?

So legally, Belarus has entered the war. Which implies Belarus is now a valid military target.

No, russia has fired missiles from Belarusian territory before, if it wasn't an act of war then it isn't now. IF it turns out to be Belarusians firing though then it's an act of war

[Kallisto]

That is an act of war no?

So legally, Belarus has entered the war. Which implies Belarus is now a valid military target.

Technical yes, with a but. Firing back might seem the good idea but at the same time it might be just the right thing for Lukashenko to spin for the people and military to join in on Russian side fully.

War is about being smart, not being emotional. Keeping Belarus as is keeps things stable enough and the focus to the south. Plus if the resistance in Belarus keeps hitting more targets and it can't be traced back to Ukraine then it will inspire more to join. Even though there's certainly talk between Ukraine and Belarus freedom groups even if hushed up.

[Saradain]

That is indeed weirdly fucked up...

...So if Finland gets people from X country, with an arsenal of missiles...and they shoot them, from finnish soil, to Russia...

It is not Finland's responsebility or fault.



Really easy to have infinite loopholes then. Just claim the attacker was not of your country, no problem. In theory, at least.

Every passing day, I start to care less and less what happens to Russia or Belarus, even if it affects or kills their civilians...

[Iphie]

That is indeed weirdly fucked up...

...So if Finland gets people from X country, with an arsenal of missiles...and they shoot them, from finnish soil, to Russia...

It is not Finland's responsebility or fault.



Really easy to have infinite loopholes then. Just claim the attacker was not of your country, no problem. In theory, at least.

Every passing day, I start to care less and less what happens to Russia or Belarus, even if it affects or kills their civilians...

Yes it's weird, and as Kallisto says you could probably construe it as an act of war, but then Ukraine should have done so the first time a missile came from the Belarusian side of the border.

As for the latter part of your post, I truly understand that, and that is why I watch from time to time a russian youtuber who goes out on the street and asks people about the situation, it's refreshing to see russians who haven't gone completely bonkers and who, semi-openly, are willing to condemn putin and the "SMO", I'm not saying the channel isn't biased but he does show people on both sides, the majority he shows though are anti war. It's a small reminder for myself to not spiral into full blown ryssäviha when it comes ot civilians. (and civilians only! stuff the army and the government, if the soldeirs don't surrender the moment they arrive in Ukraine then the best they can do is fill their pockets with sunfflower seeds.)

[zealo]

Even if it were to be considered an act of war, Ukraine doesn't benefit from an actual front opening up in the north with Belarus when they have the south to contend with at the same time.

Spare those resources for holding against Russian attempts to seize the rest of Donetsk, while preparing for a drive down to the sea of Azov later to cut the land bridge in half.

[Saradain]

Yes it's weird, and as Kallisto says you could probably construe it as an act of war, but then Ukraine should have done so the first time a missile came from the Belarusian side of the border.

As for the latter part of your post, I truly understand that, and that is why I watch from time to time a russian youtuber who goes out on the street and asks people about the situation, it's refreshing to see russians who haven't gone completely bonkers and who, semi-openly, are willing to condemn putin and the "SMO", I'm not saying the channel isn't biased but he does show people on both sides, the majority he shows though are anti war. It's a small reminder for myself to not spiral into full blown ryssäviha when it comes ot civilians. (and civilians only! stuff the army and the government, if the soldeirs don't surrender the moment they arrive in Ukraine then the best they can do is fill their pockets with sunfflower seeds.)

It is purely so for me, because the so-called rules of war seem to always favor the marauding band of rapist orcs, the attackers, while western bureaucracy is so goddamn slow that the ukrainian civilians pay with their blood for our failure to help when we clearly have the overwhelming strenght to do so.

Russia can do whatever the fuck they want while limp-dicked bureaucrats twiddle their thumbs with long decades of useful idiots that have infiltrated all forms of goverment. And we can't do shit, because we are oh so democratic and free that we do not see the forest from the trees, as finns would say.

Russians can speed up the slaughter of civilians, but if we speed up our military intervention, be it in form of aid or direct troops, we escalate the war. This world deserves to burn in hellfire.

And preferably once Ukraine wins, including Crimea, Russia should burn for a centure as a lesson because clearly, violence is ALWAYS the answer for all problems.

[Azadina]

Violence is the only language that RuZZkies actually understand. As seen throughout history. As such, it should be delivered to them in such a complete decimating and crushing way, that those who make it will forever be sickened at the mere thought of violence. It's the only way that terrorist thug nation ever joins civilisation.

[Saradain]

Violence is the only language that RuZZkies actually understand. As seen throughout history. As such, it should be delivered to them in such a complete decimating and crushing way, that those who make it will forever be sickened at the mere thought of violence. It's the only way that terrorist thug nation ever joins civilisation.

I have no doubt that Nazi Russia will invade again if they are ever let to recover. And western coalition will be stuttering as they say: B-b-but Russia promised not-t-t to!!!

[Corvus]

The situation with Belarus is a tricky one. Technically they are a co-belligerent, and if they fired the missiles that would be an act of war. But Belarus is largely an occupied country though. At the last elections, despite vote rigging, Luka lost. He refused to accept it and called in the russians to help crush protests. The Belarusians are not as backward as the russians.

Ukraine could strike Belarus, and would be perfectly and lawfully justified in doing so, but there are optic issues with that, not to mention the fact they have hundreds, possibly thousands, of Belarusians fighting for them.