Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Whaddaya know Yuppie was right for once.

[Fuiking]

even a wrong clock ticks right once in awhile :kappa:

[Santti]

Whaddaya know Yuppie was right for once.

In what way? Haven't we been told some time a go, that Russia was recruiting inmates? Seems like a natural outcome to such practice.

[Corvus]

Wasn't his argument they would terrorise the Ukrainian civilians, not the muscovy ones?

[Santti]

Wasn't his argument they would terrorise the Ukrainian civilians, not the muscovy ones?

Well, it sure would be a tragedy if recruiting convicted criminals by Russia would end in atrocities happening in Ukraine. :|

[Iphie]

In what way? Haven't we been told some time a go, that Russia was recruiting inmates? Seems like a natural outcome to such practice.

As I recall it he said that the criminals would go back to their old tricks, but I might be misremembering, and yeah, it shouldn't have been a surprise obviously. Although I would admit that if I was a criminal who had survived Ukraine I'd probably do my best to not return there, especially since I would never eb able to become a Thief-in-law. (the whole working with the authorities thing.)

Wasn't his argument they would terrorise the Ukrainian civilians, not the muscovy ones?

Those who would escape to the Ukrainian side, yes, but didn't he say those released would just go back to their old ways?

[Kaleredar]

As I recall it he said that the criminals would go back to their old tricks, but I might be misremembering, and yeah, it shouldn't have been a surprise obviously. Although I would admit that if I was a criminal who had survived Ukraine I'd probably do my best to not return there, especially since I would never eb able to become a Thief-in-law. (the whole working with the authorities thing.)



Those who would escape to the Ukrainian side, yes, but didn't he say those released would just go back to their old ways?

I think he meant they would go back to their old ways "in Ukraine" as yet another bullet point of his "Ukraine should surrender" litany.

"Ukraine should surrender to Russia and whatever Russia has in store for them, or the crazy mad men Russia is releasing to use as combatants might do bad things to the Ukrainians!"

[YUPPIE]

I think looking back on it, what I said was it's just horrifying Russia let these people on the loose because they'll rape and kill indiscriminately. Which is what it's amounted to since that previous post was directed at convicts brutally murdering their commanders and going AWOL in Ukraine. Now that we know they'll obviously go back to causing chaos when returning home, we know they firmly have no allegiances.

As a terror tactic - which is what I imagine Putin has on mind - , it is disturbingly effective though. Just the fear of these people being on the loose like wild animals more than anything else; to create unease.

[Corvus]

Assuming this isn't an April fools joke, 3000 horses are being supplied to the russian army to help with their logistics problems.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...932754438?s=20

Got to feel sorry for those horses - they'll be overworked, poorly fed and then eaten when they die from mistreatment.

[Nymrohd]

lol @ Russia has taken the presidency of the UN Security Council

joke organization, bunch of rich folk meeting for parties.

The Security Council is probably the only part of the UN that is not a joke by any means.

[Makabreska]

The Security Council is probably the only part of the UN that is not a joke by any means.

Ye well, the impotence in dealing with one of their members shows otherwise. Like when Russian ambassador interrupted their minute of silence to honor Ukrainian victims. Russia taking over presidency is yet another PR hit.

[Nymrohd]

Ye well, the impotence in dealing with one of their members shows otherwise. Like when Russian ambassador interrupted their minute of silence to honor Ukrainian victims. Russia taking over presidency is yet another PR hit.

That impotence is a feature, not a bug. The council would be useless without Russia and China in it.

[Makabreska]

That impotence is a feature, not a bug. The council would be useless without Russia and China in it.

And it is not useless, when one of their members "suddenly" turns out to be a warmongering bandit state that does not care about sovereignty of other nations and for many years was commencing assassinations, cyber attacks, strong-arming and outright invasions on other countries?

[Nymrohd]

And it is not useless, when one of their members "suddenly" turns out to be a warmongering bandit state that does not care about sovereignty of other nations and for many years was commencing assassinations, cyber attacks, strong-arming and outright invasions on other countries?

Yes, the US should indeed have been expelled after the Iraq war when they destroyed the validity of the UNSC but hey, we are all still here.

[Makabreska]

Yes, the US should indeed have been expelled after the Iraq war when they destroyed the validity of the UNSC but hey, we are all still here.

Somehow I knew you would say that. USA did a crap thing, so now it's a fair game for everyone else. But hey, I'm sure Russia will do well presiding an org that has peacekeeping as one of it's major missions. How many civilian mass graves already discovered in Ukraine?

[Nymrohd]

Somehow I knew you would say that. But hey, I'm sure Russia will do well presiding an org that has peacekeeping as one of it's major missions.

We should not be blind to the fact that whatever world order kept the peace during the Cold War died just a decade after it ended by US hands, not by Russian hands. The US absolutely was the one that made it clear that they no longer believed they needed any compromise or buy in from any other power in the world to act. Russia even supported the Yugoslavian resolutions ffs. Every action Russia has taken points back to that moment of unilateralism and the reason why Russia and China have the support or at least the indifference of the Global South, the fastest growing areas in population in the world, is because of that. I agree with neither action but that is irrelevant. It doesn't excuse Russia's actions but it certainly helps explain them.
But trying to call out the UNSC for being toothless when it was our side that pulled its teeth is ludicrous. It's staying there at least to help prevent nuclear war and to make it easy for the West to bring China to the table on issue regarding Russia.

[zealo]

Anyone that thinks it's a problem with how the UN is structured in that the UN isn't trying to actually impose things on the big boys at the table, ought to look into how things went down with it's predecessor.

It's a forum for getting them to all sit at the same table at least, much more than that can't really be asked without having them decide even that isn't worth their time, and just walk away from it entirely.

[Iphie]

Anyone that thinks it's a problem with how the UN is structured in that the UN isn't trying to actually impose things on the big boys at the table, ought to look into how things went down with it's predecessor.

It's a forum for getting them to all sit at the same table at least, much more than that can't really be asked without having them decide even that isn't worth their time, and just walk away from it entirely.

Yeah, that League of Nations was not the best thing ever, it was also heavily stacked in favour of the colonial powers in order to protect their interests. The idea was laudable, but the implementation was extremely bad.

[Gorsameth]

And it is not useless, when one of their members "suddenly" turns out to be a warmongering bandit state that does not care about sovereignty of other nations and for many years was commencing assassinations, cyber attacks, strong-arming and outright invasions on other countries?

Yes.
The point of the security council is for nuclear powers to say "no, we are not ok with you doing that". So long as the nukes are not flying the security council is fulfilling its purpose.

[jonnysensible]

Pro-Kremlin blogger Vladlen Tatarsky in the Kremlin Grand Hall adds his commentary after Putin's speech:

"We'll conquer everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll loot whoever we need to, and everything will be just as we like it."

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...58995276656641

A source tells Russian state news agency RIA Novosti that military blogger Vladlen Tatarsky (real name Maxim Fomin) has been killed by a blast in a cafe in St Petersburg where he was giving a talk

womp womp