Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Santti]

To play devil's advocate, if China openly supplied Russia with not just ammo but tanks, armed vehicles, training, financial support, would we not say we are at war with China?

While that would be unfortunate, we wouldn't be at war with China, no. Just like how Russia isn't at war with everyone supplying Ukraine, when we are providing all of that to them and more.

No, just lots of grumbling and sanctions being levied at each other.

[Nymrohd]

It’s a good question, but actually no…

During the cold war people didn’t say the USA was at war with Russia. They were are war with vietnam, north korea, afghanistan… but not with Russia.

Are we in a cold war with Russia now? Hmmm maybe kinda sorta, but it’s still a very cold war then.

The Korean War was absolutely a proxy war, just not with China. And the US did engage in a host of proxy wars with the USSR; a host of them in Central and South America, several in Africa. This absolutely is a proxy war and I don't understand who exactly it helps to say otherwise. NATO did not start it whatever Russia likes to say; they started hostilities; undermining someone else's periphery is not an act of war neither now nor was it during the Cold War proper.

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While that would be unfortunate, we wouldn't be at war with China, no. Just like how Russia isn't at war with everyone supplying Ukraine, when we are providing all of that to them and more.

No, just lots of grumbling and sanctions being levied at each other.

It would very much be a proxy war between Nato and China played in eastern Ukraine at that point.

[Yunru]

So russan goverment is now sending ELECTRONIC DRAFT to people to take them from homes for a cannon fodder.

Once E-DRAFT letter is sent, it is considered by this new Russian law that a draftee received it even if he doesn't see it.

[Saradain]

So russan goverment is now sending ELECTRONIC DRAFT to people to take them from homes for a cannon fodder.

Once E-DRAFT letter is sent, it is considered by this new Russian law that a draftee received it even if he doesn't see it.

I believe they already sent electronic drafts, but the law allowed people legally to avoid them that way - so it is the law that changed.

That doesn't change much though, as I also read Kremlin plans to make life harder for those who refuse or dodge the draft by limiting how they are allowed to leave the country in future etc...

Glory to Soviet Union.

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https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-elect.../32359108.html

The Russian parliament’s lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved in its final reading a bill on electronic military enlistment aimed at making it more difficult for potential draftees to evade duty. According to the bill, the enlistment papers will be sent by both regular mail and electronically. The electronic variant will be considered as delivered to a person seven days after being placed online in an account opened for each person who is eligible for conscription. Many have avoided conscription during Russia's invasion of Ukraine by not picking up mail at their official address.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...scription.html

Vladimir Putin appears to be clamping down on Russian men trying to dodge his invasion of Ukraine by creating a new digital conscription system which would leave them unable to flee abroad.

Under new legislation advanced by Russian lawmakers today, the draftee would be banned from travelling abroad and would have to report to an enlistment office after being called up.

Currently, draft notices have to be delivered in person in Russia, which many Russian men have managed to doge by refusing to pick up the enlistment orders and fleeing the country.

Last year, Putin's order to call up hundreds of thousands of men to boost regular forces in Ukraine kicked off an exodus, with tens of thousands rushing to leave the country.

Russia's lower house of parliament, the State Duma, approved the legislation on second and third readings today, sparking fears more men will be forced to help beef up Putin's regime.

Later in the article...

Those who fail to show up at the enlistment office within the 20 days following receipt of the electronic draft notice will not be able to take out loans, register property or work as individual entrepreneurs.

Probably a lot more sources out there.

[Edge-]

Wow, so basically show up and get sent into the meatgrinder with no training or gear or withdraw from society and live in the underground, basically.

Why does it feel like Russia keeps playing a one-nation game of Russian Roulette where they keep shooting themselves in the head but because they haven't blown their entire skull off they keep playing?

[Vladier]

So russan goverment is now sending ELECTRONIC DRAFT to people to take them from homes for a cannon fodder.

Once E-DRAFT letter is sent, it is considered by this new Russian law that a draftee received it even if he doesn't see it.

Also, a draftee is forbidden from leaving the country until checking at the enlistment office, and getting loans, starting a business, selling and buying property and driving if he doesn't check at the recruitment office within 20 days from the set date.

[fwc577]

Wow, so basically show up and get sent into the meatgrinder with no training or gear or withdraw from society and live in the underground, basically.

Why does it feel like Russia keeps playing a one-nation game of Russian Roulette where they keep shooting themselves in the head but because they haven't blown their entire skull off they keep playing?

Fascism at it's finest:

[Edge-]

Unironically that movie is kinda smarter and better than it seems on its face when you view it more as an in-universe propaganda film. It's still a horrible dogshit adaptation of the source material but like...it kind has some legs beyond being a dumb action movie with boobs, butts, and lots of gore. And a Busey.

[Yunru]

Also, a draftee is forbidden from leaving the country until checking at the enlistment office, and getting loans, starting a business, selling and buying property and driving if he doesn't check at the recruitment office within 20 days from the set date.

Yeah even more people will leave now, but this time using violence to get out of country.

[Elder Millennial]

Unironically that movie is kinda smarter and better than it seems on its face when you view it more as an in-universe propaganda film. It's still a horrible dogshit adaptation of the source material but like...it kind has some legs beyond being a dumb action movie with boobs, butts, and lots of gore. And a Busey.

I think Verhoeven's style of social criticism is so good that as a rule of thumb the very people who it criticizes completely and utterly miss the point.

I actually legitimately think the movie was better than the book because the book was unironically fashy.

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https://apnews.com/article/hungary-m...20in%20Ukraine.

Hungary really belongs outside the EU. If they are so eager to lick Moscow's boot they are welcome to join Belarus, Transnistria and Serbia in the Ruski Mir.

I'm really over the antics of Orban and his Hungarian fascists.

[Poopymonster]

Wow, so basically show up and get sent into the meatgrinder with no training or gear or withdraw from society and live in the underground, basically.

Why does it feel like Russia keeps playing a one-nation game of Russian Roulette where they keep shooting themselves in the head but because they haven't blown their entire skull off they keep playing?

I'm sure their notes will be fantastic.

[jonnysensible]

video of Russian forces beheading a Ukrainian soldier while he is alive circulating. International coalition need to treat Russians like ISIS.

[Kallisto]

video of Russian forces beheading a Ukrainian soldier while he is alive circulating. International coalition need to treat Russians like ISIS.

And do what exactly? Risk WW3? We have this period in history between 45 to 91 that shows why that's a very very bad idea to risk it over anything.

[jonnysensible]

And do what exactly? Risk WW3? We have this period in history between 45 to 91 that shows why that's a very very bad idea to risk it over anything.

yup absolutely risk ww3 lets fucking bang these cunts.

[Edge-]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kxv...-getting-chemo

Wait, some Russian general(s) are planning to "throw" the war while Putin's gettin radiated? Is this the closest to official confirmation we've seen that Putin has some form of cancer?

Anyways, for once I'm rooting for the cancer to win and be as miserable and awful as possible throughout the process. I want him shitting in bags involuntarily and shit.

[Vladier]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kxv...-getting-chemo

Wait, some Russian general(s) are planning to "throw" the war while Putin's gettin radiated? Is this the closest to official confirmation we've seen that Putin has some form of cancer?

Anyways, for once I'm rooting for the cancer to win and be as miserable and awful as possible throughout the process. I want him shitting in bags involuntarily and shit.

IMO, cancer is far too slow for an execution and is too natural and not karmic enough to be a punishment. Good people die to cancer and don't have the treatment available to a dictator ruling over a country with modern medicine and standards of living (in the part where said dictator lives). Putin will, sadly, manage well enough.

[Kallisto]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kxv...-getting-chemo

Wait, some Russian general(s) are planning to "throw" the war while Putin's gettin radiated? Is this the closest to official confirmation we've seen that Putin has some form of cancer?

Anyways, for once I'm rooting for the cancer to win and be as miserable and awful as possible throughout the process. I want him shitting in bags involuntarily and shit.

Let's hope this one is true. But for me the cancer needs to be quick and aggressive.

[YUPPIE]

video of Russian forces beheading a Ukrainian soldier while he is alive circulating. The international coalition need to treat Russians like ISIS.

Yes, I saw this. It's not too hard to find (literally on front page of reddit), albeit I wouldn't recommend anyone see it.

But no, nothing will be done about it, unfortunately. I think the reason Russians do this and film snuff is because of the leverage Kallisto mentioned: they know we won't go to war with them; hell, they even bragged about it recently by saying "this is who we are, fear us."

[Omega10]

You see the events of last year as a win for russia?

Ask me in about 3 months. My current best guess is that it will end up being a stalemate somewhere. As was stated earlier in this thread, Russia has been digging their own trenches likely to be just as good as the Soledar / Bakmut ones. WW1 style artillery duels are brutal.

[Iphie]

IMO, cancer is far too slow for an execution and is too natural and not karmic enough to be a punishment. Good people die to cancer and don't have the treatment available to a dictator ruling over a country with modern medicine and standards of living (in the part where said dictator lives). Putin will, sadly, manage well enough.

Cancers can be vicious, if they're really aggressive and spread fast there is nothing that can be done.

Now what I find interesting is that Patrushev has been named, he always struck me as a die hard putin loyalist and if true this does confirm one thing I've been suspecting about Gerasimov all this time: he's loyal to russia, rather than putin. A subtle difference.