Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

Eh, I wouldn't be too sure, I think a lot would have depended on russia's response. Like if they would have said "our bad, there was a miscommunication between our ground crew and the aircrew", then yes, not much would have happened beyond some harsh words and increased tensions. If, however, russia would have said: "well you shouldn't have been there", then I'm fairly certain at least the UK would have responded. Art. 5 would probably have been a bridge to far but perhaps the gloves would have come of in regards to what would have been given to Ukraine.

>Russia admitting to a mistake they made
Hah. Good one m8.

[fwc577]

Perhaps the higher-ups in the military might realize that these ultra-right wing loons that fester within the armed forces and who are loyal to a specific political ideology more than the actual country are a direct threat to national security.

Wouldn't that be nice.

Problem is, they can't do shit about it. Recruitment is down hardcore right now.

[arandomuser]

From the article above, i don't read anything about him being pro Russia, but mostly did it to gain attention from other boys / young men.

i read god and guns, thats basically maga 101
im almost positive more will come out he will be a tucker watcher and his youtube follow list will be full of those pro russia conservatives with frequent tulsi gabbard retweets to.

i dont see any other explanation than military officer who moves up in ranks that had access to that info, and that ( like alot of military members) also had right wing political leaniings trying to hurt ukraine because tucker told him ukraine wants to turn everyone gay. most conservatives arent traitors but a very large faction are and 1 person in the inside can do so much damage

[Gorsameth]

Eh, I wouldn't be too sure, I think a lot would have depended on russia's response. Like if they would have said "our bad, there was a miscommunication between our ground crew and the aircrew", then yes, not much would have happened beyond some harsh words and increased tensions. If, however, russia would have said: "well you shouldn't have been there", then I'm fairly certain at least the UK would have responded. Art. 5 would probably have been a bridge to far but perhaps the gloves would have come of in regards to what would have been given to Ukraine.

Remember Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter a while ago and nothing happening? Basically the same thing.

[Iphie]

>Russia admitting to a mistake they made
Hah. Good one m8.

Somehow they must have, otherwise we wouldn't know that it was a miscommunication RIGHTnow, now wouldn't we?

Remember Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter a while ago and nothing happening? Basically the same thing.

Different situation, different country and different levels of respect. Turkey had warned russia, russia was stupid, Turkey did what they did and russia said "okay, you win". But otherwise, yeah, totally the same.

[Kralljin]

i read god and guns, thats basically maga 101

That doesn't necessarily mean that person is Pro Russia.

This entire movement isn't necessarily a unison, the neocon conservative movement was also often described as a three legged stool.
Simply because one held onto a specific aspect of these three legs, doesn't mean they personally agreed with the other two, which was usually done out of sheer pragmatism to get a majority, as each stool on its own didn't get a majority.

Disregarding that having a gun fetish (especially for someone who works in the military) and being christian isn't something that came along with Trump.
I don't discount the possibility, but as i said, nothing in the article says that the person leaked that to support Russia, this seems to be more along the lines of previous War Thunder leaks, where people leaked stuff to get either attention or win an internet argument.

[Gabriel]

Somehow they must have, otherwise we wouldn't know that it was a miscommunication RIGHTnow, now wouldn't we?

I didn't read the article yet, but I assume it was a case of NATO sigint listening to Russian flight control talking with the Russian fighter jet.

[Iphie]

I didn't read the article yet, but I assume it was a case of NATO sigint listening to Russian flight control talking with the Russian fighter jet.

As far as I know the Britts went and had a chat with the russians about the incident, so I assume the russians admitted it there (which in and off itself implies they have no appetite for NATO to become really involved). In general I agree with you though, russians do not admit to their mistakes, it's always someone else's fault.

[Makabreska]

>Russia admitting to a mistake they made
Hah. Good one m8.

Well, there is a difference between what countries say to the public and what they say to other govs during closed doors diplomacy.

[Iphie]

US says they almost know who leaked

Somebody is going to have a bad day real soon...

[AntiFascistVoter]

US says they almost know who leaked

Somebody is going to have a bad day real soon...

Whats the worst that could happen .. a 3 Day ban from MMOC? /s

Too bad this guy didnt sell out to Green Glennwald first. They he's be on a plane to Moscow about now.

Coincidentally, Ed Snowden was another 20-something, racist, libertarian/RW, know-it-all, white dude, who thought he was 'enlightened'.

[zealo]

Whats the worst that could happen .. a 3 Day ban from MMOC? /s

Too bad this guy didnt sell out to Green Glennwald first. They he's be on a plane to Moscow about now.

Coincidentally, Ed Snowden was another 20-something, racist, libertarian/RW, know-it-all, white dude, who thought he was 'enlightened'.

The worst short of capital punishment?

23 hours a day of solitary confinement in a concrete block barely bigger than a couple of square meters. Some US prisons does that on the supermax side of the scale where some people guilty of things like espionage and treason are kept locked up.

[Elder Millennial]

Whats the worst that could happen .. a 3 Day ban from MMOC? /s

Too bad this guy didnt sell out to Green Glennwald first. They he's be on a plane to Moscow about now.

Coincidentally, Ed Snowden was another 20-something, racist, libertarian/RW, know-it-all, white dude, who thought he was 'enlightened'.

Source? But even is he was, there's no sane planet on which he isn't a legitimate whistle blower. Snowden that is.

Also, how about we don't automatically turn into CIA bootlickers just because right now the CIA happens to be on the right side of things. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but that doesn't change the fact that Snowden was a legitimate whistle blower.

His leaks weren't party affiliated.

Your positions are sometimes really fucking disgusting. Will you bootlick the US government when they herd minorities into death camps and waterboard "Antifa terrorists" under the next GOP administration?

[Kralljin]

Coincidentally, Ed Snowden was another 20-something, racist, libertarian/RW, know-it-all, white dude, who thought he was 'enlightened'.

Unfair comparison.

Snowden may have made mistakes, from the fact that he didn't know the sheer volume of data that he's leaking, to that he evaded justice in Russia of all places, but the intent to reveal government overreach by the intelligence agencies should still recognized.
Nevermind that this done during times when the US wasn't directly supplying another nation that's currently fighting for survival against a hostile aggressor with both weapons and intelligence.

At face value, this was done out of plainly self serving purpose to please one's own ego and make themselves look like the "cool kid" within a small circle, never intended for a broader audience.

Source?

There are some quotes from 08-12 from Snowden on online forums that are certainly on the fringe, altough i'd place him more in the libertarian spectrum than conservative one.

He once remarked in 09 that he was "terrified" to see that many muslims in London and thought he got off the plane at the wrong place.

https://gulfnews.com/opinion/op-eds/...dier-1.1291302

[Fugus]

Perhaps the higher-ups in the military might realize that these ultra-right wing loons that fester within the armed forces and who are loyal to a specific political ideology more than the actual country are a direct threat to national security.

Wouldn't that be nice.

Didn't they recently have a law going through that would have prevented them from recruiting supremacists and those posting in hate group venues only for the Republicans filibuster it?

[jonnysensible]

A 21-year-old Massachusetts Air National Guard member has been identified as the leader of a gaming chat group where classified U.S. intelligence documents were leaked. Jack Teixeira oversaw Thug Shaker Central, a group of 20-30 people sharing guns, memes, & games.

what do you reckon 40+ years?

[AntiFascistVoter]

During the 2024 GOP primary debates. Trump and all of the candidates will trip over themselves over who gets to pardon him first.

[Edge-]

A 21-year-old Massachusetts Air National Guard member has been identified as the leader of a gaming chat group where classified U.S. intelligence documents were leaked. Jack Teixeira oversaw Thug Shaker Central, a group of 20-30 people sharing guns, memes, & games.

what do you reckon 40+ years?

rofl, that didn't take long at all.

- - - Updated - - -

During the 2024 GOP primary debates. Trump and all of the candidates will trip over themselves over who gets to pardon him first.

rrrrrrrooooooooooofffffffllllllllllllll

US military really needs to deal with their anti-government goon/nazi problem. I just hope we haven't spread this shit to Ukraine.

[Gorsameth]

A 21-year-old Massachusetts Air National Guard member has been identified as the leader of a gaming chat group where classified U.S. intelligence documents were leaked. Jack Teixeira oversaw Thug Shaker Central, a group of 20-30 people sharing guns, memes, & games.

what do you reckon 40+ years?

Manning got 35 years so somewhere about that.

[Kralljin]

US military really needs to deal with their anti-government goon/nazi problem. I just hope we haven't spread this shit to Ukraine.

Eh, this entire thing opens whole box because it dangles very close to supporting Russia's claims that Ukraine is run by Nazis, because stuff linked to the Azov Bridge isn't entirely without merit.

For example, the House of representatives passed in 2018 legislation to ban the Azov Brigade from receiving any form of US aid.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...-to-neo-nazis/
And some democrats even attempted to get the Unit listed as terrorist organization.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59nq...nal-terrorists

There's also the topic of Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian nationalist that allied himself with the Nazis in hopes of an independent Ukraine (guess how that worked out), and how Ukraine tends to over glorify him despite his rather...questionable views.

Now it needs to be said that many countries have issues with rightwing extremists in their military and Ukraine is far from the only one, but assuming that this spread over from the US is obviously bogus.

Again, extremely difficult topic because Russia tends to blow that shit out of proportions to justify their war on Ukraine.