Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

Eh, this entire thing opens whole box because it dangles very close to supporting Russia's claims that Ukraine is run by Nazis, because stuff linked to the Azov Bridge isn't entirely without merit.

For example, the House of representatives passed in 2018 legislation to ban the Azov Brigade from receiving any form of US aid.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...-to-neo-nazis/
And some democrats even attempted to get the Unit listed as terrorist organization.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59nq...nal-terrorists

There's also the topic of Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian nationalist that allied himself with the Nazis in hopes of an independent Ukraine (guess how that worked out), and how Ukraine tends to over glorify him despite his rather...questionable views.

Now it needs to be said that many countries have issues with rightwing extremists in their military and Ukraine is far from the only one, but assuming that this spread over from US is obviously bogus.

Again, extremely difficult topic because Russia tends to blow that shit out of proportions to justify their war on Ukraine.

I mean, it's not remotely difficult though? The US simply has some problems with Nazi's because we continue to tolerate them politely.

Ukraine has some Nazi's too.

Russia also has plenty of their own Nazis'.

You can find them anywhere and I'm extremely disinclined to think many people take Russian rhetoric seriously. Especially on the, "We're denazifying Ukraine!" nonsense.

[Kralljin]

I mean, it's not remotely difficult though? The US simply has some problems with Nazi's because we continue to tolerate them politely.

It's still silly to believe that this influence would somehow spread over to Ukraine.

Nevermind that it's also a leap to assume that this person is a Nazi, racial slurs and a love for guns don't make a Nazi.

[Makabreska]

So, what's in store for our young, brave patriot?

[Edge-]

So, what's in store for our young, brave patriot?

finding out that while he convinced a discord of teenagers he was basically and action movie stars he's actually just a regular jackoff who is likely going to spend many decades in prison

he'll have some great stories to tell his fellow inmates about those minors he impressed, especially the one that had to get parental consent to speak with WashPo about OG

[Makabreska]

finding out that while he convinced a discord of teenagers he was basically and action movie stars he's actually just a regular jackoff who is likely going to spend many decades in prison

he'll have some great stories to tell his fellow inmates about those minors he impressed, especially the one that had to get parental consent to speak with WashPo about OG

Hey man, maybe Benedict Cumberbatch will play him in an upcoming movie, or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Edge-]

Hey man, maybe Benedict Cumberbatch will play him in an upcoming movie, or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm nowhere near up to date on my "younger actors", but I imagine he'd be much more Seth Rogan than Benedick Cumberbutton.

[Makabreska]

I'm nowhere near up to date on my "younger actors", but I imagine he'd be much more Seth Rogan than Benedick Cumberbutton.

It was joke regarding the fact that Benedict alr played Julian Assange.

[Edge-]

It was joke regarding the fact that Benedict alr played Julian Assange.

It was not missed, though it was unacknowledged on my part and I probably should have made that bit clear. I was more just trying to take the piss out on this absolute chud of a human being.

[Elder Millennial]

Manning got 35 years so somewhere about that.

This guy is a Nazi, so by default he'll get the "poor lost young man" treatment. I say he'll get 10, do 2, pardoned in 2024 if the GOOPers win.

[AntiFascistVoter]

So, what's in store for our young, brave patriot?

This is going to get interesting. There is no reason Teixeira, as a National Guard airman, would be read-in on these war planning documents.
So the question is, who was? And who knew Teixeira? Smells like a spy ring to me, and Teixeira was a cutout.


My girlfriend who lives in Canada!
Her name is Alberta Natasha
She live in Vancouver

[Kralljin]

This guy is a Nazi, so by default he'll get the "poor lost young man" treatment. I say he'll get 10, do 2, pardoned in 2024 if the GOOPers win.

Seems odd to bring this up considering that Manning was pardoned as well.

[LeGin v3]

So.. listening to Roger Bolton on BBC R4: 3m Americans have some sort of 'security clearance'.

Slight flaw in the system? No?

[Edge-]

So.. listening to Roger Bolton on BBC R4: 3m Americans have some sort of 'security clearance'.

Slight flaw in the system? No?

Not to get too off topic but - https://www.npr.org/2023/01/19/11499...ication-engine

Is a very good interview on the topic. TLDR: Yes, we classify far, far, far too many things and our processes for it are bad and outdated.

[Gorsameth]

So.. listening to Roger Bolton on BBC R4: 3m Americans have some sort of 'security clearance'.

Slight flaw in the system? No?

No, because that completely ignores the varies levels of clearance and how they work.

[LeGin v3]

Fair dues.... was playing devil's adovcate.

I've got no idea.

Just seems daft this has happened so easily. Again.

[Elder Millennial]

Seems odd to bring this up considering that Manning was pardoned as well.

Weird take.

Whistle blower =/= leaker.

There's a meaningful distinction.

She was neither pardoned or treated fairly. Spent 7 years in confinement and her sentence was committed to time spent in confinement.

Are you claiming there's an equivalency between revealing that the US has been covering up war crimes and leaking information about Ukrainian defense efforts.

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So.. listening to Roger Bolton on BBC R4: 3m Americans have some sort of 'security clearance'.

Slight flaw in the system? No?

If you work in a Northrop Grumman factory or a SiG factory that makes side arms for the army, cleaning toilets you have some level of "security clearance".

[Kralljin]

She was neither pardoned or treated fairly. Spent 7 years in confinement and her sentence was committed to time spent in confinement.

The effective difference between a commute down to the time a person already served and a pardon isn't exactly massive.

I'm sure there is a legal difference, but de facto, i'm not so sure.

Are you claiming there's an equivalency between revealing that the US has been covering up war crimes and leaking information about Ukrainian defense efforts.

No, but straight up assuming a person gets a very light sentence and a pardon on top of that seems a bit odd when also talking about a person who was convicted of similar crimes and had their sentence commuted down to an effective immediate release.

Putting aside that Mannings leaks made Assange a household name, who years later only happened to have dirt on democrats but nothing on Republicans during the 2016 election.

[arandomuser]

Seems odd to bring this up considering that Manning was pardoned as well.

for the record i think snowden manning did the wrong thing and prosecuted
by there is a moral difference in " the government is doing these bad things to civilians whether its war crimes/spying" and " im leaking these documents for the lulz in a discord group"and thats all we know so far, but i suspect it may come out that the leaker had pro russia sympathies related to his " god and guns" politics, in the end i guess not much different than snowden/manning because their leaks were also used in furthering russias agenda in the end

[Kallisto]

So.. listening to Roger Bolton on BBC R4: 3m Americans have some sort of 'security clearance'.

Slight flaw in the system? No?

Not really, some kind of security clearance is as small as working in a factory that builds anything related to the military. Civil servants or anything of the like. That's still under 1% of the US public as well

[Kralljin]

for the record i think snowden manning did the wrong thing and prosecuted
by there is a moral difference in " the government is doing these bad things to civilians whether its war crimes/spying" and " im leaking these documents for the lulz in a discord group"and thats all we know so far, but i suspect it may come out that the leaker had pro russia sympathies related to his " god and guns" politics, in the end i guess not much different than snowden/manning because their leaks were also used in furthering russias agenda in the end

I think there is a difference, but it's in my mind also disingenuous to blatantly assume that a person who aided Russia intentionally or unintentionally gets a very light sentence and possibly a pardon in direct response to a person that has received a commute.

It also disregards the actual content, Snowden / Manning leaks (as far as i know) contained very touchy information, whereas in this instance, at least Biden said that he's more concerned about the existence of the leak than the actual content.
Whether that's true, remains to be seen, but it's also something that needs to be taken into account.