Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kralljin]

She was neither pardoned or treated fairly. Spent 7 years in confinement and her sentence was committed to time spent in confinement.

The effective difference between a commute down to the time a person already served and a pardon isn't exactly massive.

I'm sure there is a legal difference, but de facto, i'm not so sure.

Are you claiming there's an equivalency between revealing that the US has been covering up war crimes and leaking information about Ukrainian defense efforts.

No, but straight up assuming a person gets a very light sentence and a pardon on top of that seems a bit odd when also talking about a person who was convicted of similar crimes and had their sentence commuted down to an effective immediate release.

Putting aside that Mannings leaks made Assange a household name, who years later only happened to have dirt on democrats but nothing on Republicans during the 2016 election.

[arandomuser]

Seems odd to bring this up considering that Manning was pardoned as well.

for the record i think snowden manning did the wrong thing and prosecuted
by there is a moral difference in " the government is doing these bad things to civilians whether its war crimes/spying" and " im leaking these documents for the lulz in a discord group"and thats all we know so far, but i suspect it may come out that the leaker had pro russia sympathies related to his " god and guns" politics, in the end i guess not much different than snowden/manning because their leaks were also used in furthering russias agenda in the end

[Kallisto]

So.. listening to Roger Bolton on BBC R4: 3m Americans have some sort of 'security clearance'.

Slight flaw in the system? No?

Not really, some kind of security clearance is as small as working in a factory that builds anything related to the military. Civil servants or anything of the like. That's still under 1% of the US public as well

[Kralljin]

for the record i think snowden manning did the wrong thing and prosecuted
by there is a moral difference in " the government is doing these bad things to civilians whether its war crimes/spying" and " im leaking these documents for the lulz in a discord group"and thats all we know so far, but i suspect it may come out that the leaker had pro russia sympathies related to his " god and guns" politics, in the end i guess not much different than snowden/manning because their leaks were also used in furthering russias agenda in the end

I think there is a difference, but it's in my mind also disingenuous to blatantly assume that a person who aided Russia intentionally or unintentionally gets a very light sentence and possibly a pardon in direct response to a person that has received a commute.

It also disregards the actual content, Snowden / Manning leaks (as far as i know) contained very touchy information, whereas in this instance, at least Biden said that he's more concerned about the existence of the leak than the actual content.
Whether that's true, remains to be seen, but it's also something that needs to be taken into account.

[postman1782]

Source? But even is he was, there's no sane planet on which he isn't a legitimate whistle blower. Snowden that is.

Also, how about we don't automatically turn into CIA bootlickers just because right now the CIA happens to be on the right side of things. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but that doesn't change the fact that Snowden was a legitimate whistle blower.

His leaks weren't party affiliated.

Your positions are sometimes really fucking disgusting. Will you bootlick the US government when they herd minorities into death camps and waterboard "Antifa terrorists" under the next GOP administration?

He isn't a whistleblower. Leaking battle plans for any country, including ours, is being a fucking traitor. Plus, his discord he leaked them on, is full of right wing propaganda and racism.

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So, what's in store for our young, brave patriot?

He will be lucky if he doesn't get life in prison.

[Corvus]

Bethesda appears to have removed russian language support for the upcoming Starfield game. Needs to happen more.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/starfield/s...hesda-rpg-game

[Edge-]

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-guy-who-...steam-profile/

rrooofffllllll that chud leaker is so dumb

But one of the investigators on the case said Teixeira gave himself away through his Steam profile—it led to an Instagram account with photos that the investigation team was able to match to the location the leaked documents were photographed before being uploaded.

[arandomuser]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1646615867285708802

patriotic party of national security

[Elder Millennial]

He isn't a whistleblower.

Edward Snowden?

Snowden didn't leak any battle plans of any kind. Are you remotely aware what Snowden leaked? Like at all?

Please google it.

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https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1646615867285708802

patriotic party of national security

It's playing out exactly as I expected.

[postman1782]

Edward Snowden?

Snowden didn't leak any battle plans of any kind. Are you remotely aware what Snowden leaked? Like at all?

Please google it.

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It's playing out exactly as I expected.

I am talking about this magat moron.

[Iphie]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1646615867285708802

patriotic party of national security

What happened to the GOP? No, seriously I know they're a bunch of reactionary right wing shit heads but one thing you could count on was them at least being on the same page when it came to russia. (Yes, yes, I know it didn't change yesterday or overnight.)

I've asked it before but I just remain surprised by this behaviour.

[jonnysensible]

What happened to the GOP? No, seriously I know they're a bunch of reactionary right wing shit heads but one thing you could count on was them at least being on the same page when it came to russia. (Yes, yes, I know it didn't change yesterday or overnight.)

I've asked it before but I just remain surprised by this behaviour.

they dont think they can win elections in a democracy and refuse to change their platform to attract new votes. They would like a system like Putins Russia (or even Xi's China, Orbans Hungary etc) where elections are a sham and they always maintain control.

[Elder Millennial]

I am talking about this magat moron.

Well, I wasn't. My post was specifically saying that there's no comparision between this leak and the Snowden leaks and that people need to be able to draw a distinction and not go either "All leaks good!" or "All leaks evil".

[zealo]

What happened to the GOP? No, seriously I know they're a bunch of reactionary right wing shit heads but one thing you could count on was them at least being on the same page when it came to russia. (Yes, yes, I know it didn't change yesterday or overnight.)

I've asked it before but I just remain surprised by this behaviour.

That individual in particular linked to is one of the most extreme representatives the GOP has in US congress, just for the record.

When Republicans become convinced their voter prospects are terrible, they don’t abandon their unhinged views but supporting democracy, which is a very dangerous development for the US.

That, and there’s a good chance MTG is complicit in helping to organise what went down in congress on January 6th 2021.

[Makabreska]

What happened to the GOP? No, seriously I know they're a bunch of reactionary right wing shit heads but one thing you could count on was them at least being on the same page when it came to russia. (Yes, yes, I know it didn't change yesterday or overnight.)

I've asked it before but I just remain surprised by this behaviour.

Are you really surprised? She was the loudest "Trump won, elections were rigged" conspiracy theory supporter since the beginning. This is just one of her normal tweets. And regarding Russia, let's not forget how loud Trump and his MAGAs were applauding when ruskies were hacking gov accounts and meddling with the election. And now the "was is not our problem, Ukraine started it" is their everyday rhetoric. Expect more to come from these fine political specimens, with how much GOP had to appeal to those loons to finally get the Speaker elected.

What happened to GOP? Trump happened. They are now hostages to his unhinged followers and their votes.

[Iphie]

Are you really surprised? She was the loudest "Trump won, elections were rigged" conspiracy theory supporter since the beginning. This is just one of her normal tweets. And regarding Russia, let's not forget how loud Trump and his MAGAs were applauding when ruskies were hacking gov accounts and meddling with the election. Expect more to come from these fine political specimens, with how much GOP had to appeal to those loons to finally get the Speaker elected.

What happened to GOP? Trump happened. They are now hostages to his unhinged followers and their votes.

Well, I'm not American so sometimes keeping all your politicians straight is a bit of a task, heck I don't even know all MP's from the Netherlands and Finland.

Anyway, that's nice dear, we'll keep a close eye on you though.

I mean has China made such a (strong) statement before? (I'm inclined to half believe they don't want to sell weapons to either side.)

[Elder Millennial]

I mean has China made such a (strong) statement before? (I'm inclined to half believe they don't want to sell weapons to either side.)

I think this is very much the result of China wanting to defuse some of the tension with the EU.

Especially after the last wave of big EU diplomatic missions and indications from the EU about their willingness to keep doing business with China in most areas the Chinese see an opening for rapprochement.

I don't think Beijing will blink twice about sacrificing the whole of Russia on the Ukraine meat grinder if they get to keep the flow of those sweet sweet billions of euromonies.

They have a lot to lose and very little to gain with giving Russia weapons.

They'll keep buying cheap Russian raw materials, sell all the electronics and whatnot that Russia can't source from anywhere else at a premium price and keep the trade up with the EU. All they have to do is...nothing.

The EU keeps squeezing Russian energy prices with the price controls, but Russia still has to sell its output somewhere, India and China keep buying, but at ever lower rates. There's an even lower price cap coming this summer.

[jonnysensible]

lol wrecked : The 22nd and two other spetsnaz brigades suffered an estimated 90 to 95 percent attrition rate, the assessments say.

[Breccia]

spetsnaz

Um...aren't those the "Russian Green Berets"? Like, some of the best Russia has? As in, not only is Russia losing cannon fodder but actual forces they actually care about?

[Flarelaine]

Um...aren't those the "Russian Green Berets"? Like, some of the best Russia has? As in, not only is Russia losing cannon fodder but actual forces they actually care about?

They are supposed to be just that.

But considering Russian armed forces turned out to be so much less than their reputation, perhaps it is not too farfetched to assume that their training has for some time not been up to Soviet standards.