Russian invasion of Ukraine

[jonnysensible]

nah they have taken bakhmut (well 90% of it). Prig is just crying for his own self promotion.

[Iphie]

nah they have taken bakhmut (well 90% of it). Prig is just crying for his own self promotion.

Most analysts have a slightly different opinion on this. But one thing is for sure, I don't think anyone had expected this.

[Makabreska]

Prig been really going off the rails recently. Is he feeling being intentionally cut off the supplies, becasue he got too influential?

[Kralljin]

Prig been really going off the rails recently. Is he feeling being intentionally cut off the supplies, becasue he got too influential?

Alternate question: Does Russia have enough supplies to continue supporting the rate at which Wagner was chewing through?

Not saying that Wagner chewing through more supplies than other Russian units, but i wouldn't put it past them and i'd be surprised if the supply situation for Russia is that great.

[jonnysensible]

Prig been really going off the rails recently. Is he feeling being intentionally cut off the supplies, becasue he got too influential?

cant see who he influential with beyond Z war bloggers. not sure anyone at the MoD likes him

[Kallisto]

Prig been really going off the rails recently. Is he feeling being intentionally cut off the supplies, becasue he got too influential?

He wants influence with Putin (See he's going after those under Putin not Putin) but it will come at the expense of tweedle dum and tweedle dee so they're doing what they can to fuck him over.

[Iphie]

He wants influence with Putin (See he's going after those under Putin not Putin) but it will come at the expense of tweedle dum and tweedle dee so they're doing what they can to fuck him over.

I wouldn't put too much faith in him not going after putin, I mean if I was to pursue that position I wouldn't got for putin directly either. That is a death sentence, but if you can make it plausible that you're going for those under him he might be lulled into a false sense of security.

[Deus Mortis]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-s...134011576.html
‘Ukraine shoots down Russian hypersonic missile using US Patriot system’

Ukraine has intercepted a Russian hypersonic missile for the first time, it has been reported.

Local media reports suggested air-defence units operating the highly-advanced, US-provided Patriot missile system could have been responsible for the unprecedented feat.

Images purportedly showing the fragments of a downed Kh-47M2 Kinzhal missile, which Russia claims can fly at 10 times the speed of sound, were published by the Ukrainian Defence Express outlet.

The wreckage of the missile, known in Russia as the “dagger”, fell on an empty football stadium in Kyiv after a loud explosion was reported in the early hours of Thursday morning.

The bang coincided with a long-range Russian barrage using Iranian-made drones and less sophisticated missiles targeting the Ukrainian capital, according to local administrators, who did not confirm the use of a hypersonic missile.

Pictures of the remains appeared to show a hole in the top of the weapon’s pointed shell, reportedly created by a precision munition, while the rocket was still mid-air.

Hahaha, this is fantastic news. Russia just continues to embarrass itself.

[jonnysensible]

I wouldn't put too much faith in him not going after putin, I mean if I was to pursue that position I wouldn't got for putin directly either. That is a death sentence, but if you can make it plausible that you're going for those under him he might be lulled into a false sense of security.

prig aligns heavily with putin. He is just saying things that Putin can't say out loud.

Mzintsev (who was allegly supplying weapons to wagner) got fired and joined wagner. He obviously called out Shoigu and Gerasimov which isn't really anything new. He is crying about Manturov (who helped wagner get rich and wagner helped him get rich) because he thinks the russian military industry isnt working at high gear.

I suspect he also thinks that if there is an offense wagner will be crushed and wants to get out before the inevitable. He wrote that dumb essay a while ago about ending 'the operation' entirely.

[The Stormbringer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-s...134011576.html
‘Ukraine shoots down Russian hypersonic missile using US Patriot system’

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Hahaha, this is fantastic news. Russia just continues to embarrass itself.

That's a missile...? It looks like it's made out of concrete or something.

[Gorsameth]

I imagine you need a quite sturdy shell to handle the speed

[Elder Millennial]

That's a missile...? It looks like it's made out of concrete or something.

It's probably some sort of polymer or ceramic composite.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ot-hypersonic/

Also, it seems that the "hypersonic" label is questionable when applied to this thing.

[Belize]

Alternate question: Does Russia have enough supplies to continue supporting the rate at which Wagner was chewing through?

Not saying that Wagner chewing through more supplies than other Russian units, but i wouldn't put it past them and i'd be surprised if the supply situation for Russia is that great.

Unlikely, considering one of their munitions storage got blowed up. Likely a factor why Wagner would want to get out of dodge, it's hard to fight without bullets.

[YUPPIE]

if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.

[jonnysensible]

if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.

i mean this war is going to go on for a few years yet. and russia will eat sanctions unless they make huge reparations

[Corvus]

Kadyrov has said that if the Prig pulls out of Bakhmut his tiktok warriors will replace them. Not sure how long they'd last.

[Elder Millennial]

if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.

No. Russia has solidly went the way or Iran or North Korea (possibly worse) from a Western perspective.

Significant political changes would have to happen in Russia for a door to be open for them.

Also Europe is not going to forget or forgive this one, the Russians broke the "no major land wars in Europe" rule that stood since the end of WW2.

[P for Pancetta]

This one is for @Skroe probably sitting somewhere with a good drink and not being the least bit surprised.

Hypersonic missiles like this are overhyped a bit. Their main advantage is that they are harder to detect and shoot down because of their speed. But with speed comes a downside too, they are less maneuverable then slower rockets which means it's projected path is also smaller and they require more fuel to go the same distance. If you have intelligence on the launch and have a weapon capable of taking down a supersonic rocket it'd be easier to take that out then a slower "smart" rocket.

The real danger lies in ICBM that go into orbit. In orbit they can loiter and are almost undetectable until they are near their projected target and get activated upon which they'll change their trajectory, de-orbit and strike their target. the distance the missile would have to travel would only be a hundred miles at max and it'd be traveling at a much greater speed then the supersonic missiles that are launched from planes or the ground. It would take less then ten seconds after engaging and becoming more detectable (still very hard to spot) before it would impact.

Russia doesn't have those weapons at this point, they have active projects where they are working on them but they haven't shown the outside world anything real yet (unlike how their new new jet that's supposed to come out in 2027 has been proudly revealed while they only have a good looking wooden prop so far, while they are also not really using their new jet that was supposed to be the regular jet by now because it's probably suffering from the foxbat syndrome(it looks good on (wall)paper)). They have accused the US of already having build them (they claimed a nasa scramjet experiment was in fact one of such weapons). The US denies this ofc and it's very unlikely that the nasa scramjet is being designed for this purpose because why would they, but based on other projects it's very likely that the US already has these weapons.

[Gabriel]

if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.

My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.

[YUPPIE]

My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.

if the sanctions genuinely do anything, they will eventually be forced to bend the knee and say sorry - lest they live in destitution forever. Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though. I watch pro-Russian vloggers that claim they aren't and like to show their "normal" lifestyle that "hasn't changed."

This is a war of lies and propaganda.