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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-s...134011576.html
    ‘Ukraine shoots down Russian hypersonic missile using US Patriot system’

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    Hahaha, this is fantastic news. Russia just continues to embarrass itself.
    That's a missile...? It looks like it's made out of concrete or something.

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    I imagine you need a quite sturdy shell to handle the speed
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    That's a missile...? It looks like it's made out of concrete or something.
    It's probably some sort of polymer or ceramic composite.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ot-hypersonic/

    Also, it seems that the "hypersonic" label is questionable when applied to this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Alternate question: Does Russia have enough supplies to continue supporting the rate at which Wagner was chewing through?

    Not saying that Wagner chewing through more supplies than other Russian units, but i wouldn't put it past them and i'd be surprised if the supply situation for Russia is that great.
    Unlikely, considering one of their munitions storage got blowed up. Likely a factor why Wagner would want to get out of dodge, it's hard to fight without bullets.

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    if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

    That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

    That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.
    i mean this war is going to go on for a few years yet. and russia will eat sanctions unless they make huge reparations

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    Kadyrov has said that if the Prig pulls out of Bakhmut his tiktok warriors will replace them. Not sure how long they'd last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

    That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.
    No. Russia has solidly went the way or Iran or North Korea (possibly worse) from a Western perspective.

    Significant political changes would have to happen in Russia for a door to be open for them.

    Also Europe is not going to forget or forgive this one, the Russians broke the "no major land wars in Europe" rule that stood since the end of WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    This one is for @Skroe probably sitting somewhere with a good drink and not being the least bit surprised.
    Hypersonic missiles like this are overhyped a bit. Their main advantage is that they are harder to detect and shoot down because of their speed. But with speed comes a downside too, they are less maneuverable then slower rockets which means it's projected path is also smaller and they require more fuel to go the same distance. If you have intelligence on the launch and have a weapon capable of taking down a supersonic rocket it'd be easier to take that out then a slower "smart" rocket.

    The real danger lies in ICBM that go into orbit. In orbit they can loiter and are almost undetectable until they are near their projected target and get activated upon which they'll change their trajectory, de-orbit and strike their target. the distance the missile would have to travel would only be a hundred miles at max and it'd be traveling at a much greater speed then the supersonic missiles that are launched from planes or the ground. It would take less then ten seconds after engaging and becoming more detectable (still very hard to spot) before it would impact.

    Russia doesn't have those weapons at this point, they have active projects where they are working on them but they haven't shown the outside world anything real yet (unlike how their new new jet that's supposed to come out in 2027 has been proudly revealed while they only have a good looking wooden prop so far, while they are also not really using their new jet that was supposed to be the regular jet by now because it's probably suffering from the foxbat syndrome(it looks good on (wall)paper)). They have accused the US of already having build them (they claimed a nasa scramjet experiment was in fact one of such weapons). The US denies this ofc and it's very unlikely that the nasa scramjet is being designed for this purpose because why would they, but based on other projects it's very likely that the US already has these weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

    That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.
    My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.
    if the sanctions genuinely do anything, they will eventually be forced to bend the knee and say sorry - lest they live in destitution forever. Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though. I watch pro-Russian vloggers that claim they aren't and like to show their "normal" lifestyle that "hasn't changed."

    This is a war of lies and propaganda.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    This is a war of lies and propaganda.
    By the Russian Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.
    I'd like to amend that to "No current russian official", I mean I know a few Russians who are appalled by this war and would apologize in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    if the sanctions genuinely do anything, they will eventually be forced to bend the knee and say sorry - lest they live in destitution forever. Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though. I watch pro-Russian vloggers that claim they aren't and like to show their "normal" lifestyle that "hasn't changed."

    This is a war of lies and propaganda.
    My child... You don't understand the Russian psyche at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I'd like to amend that to "No current russian official", I mean I know a few Russians who are appalled by this war and would apologize in a heartbeat.
    Anomalies exist ofc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    More dumb stuff
    If you are wealthy enough, your lifestyle hasn't changed, well except that you can't go on holidays almost anywhere in the developed world and if you do travel somewhere where you're allowed to go, you're a cash only traveler unless you set up a bank account outside Russia or bought a truckload of pre-paid debit cards. Otherwise you can probably still buy most of anything as Russia still imports most of every consumer good via Turkey and China, tho at significantly higher prices.

    On the other hand if you are THE AVERAGE Russian you are essentially fucked 11 different ways. Inflation on consumer goods is somewhere between 50 to 100%, same on consumer electronics. This is somewhat offset in statistics by largely static energy and fuel prices and a drop in the cost of real estate. Russia lucked out to some extent on being both an energy exporter and largely being able to produce a food surplus domestically.

    But both of those things are tenuous. The USSR was also hypothetically self sufficient, yet food shortages were always a thing and got really bad by the 80's, as was energy and fuel rationing as it lacked agricultural machinery and the ability to build and maintain its own energy and fuel infrastructure (something it still can't do).

    Also, imagine that...a Pro-Russian vlogger will say how everything is A-okay. Who could have thunked that?

    Iran has been sanctioned for what? Fifty years now? People still have Iphones and Samsung phones and German, American and Japanese cars, they have pizzerias and copycat KFC's, washing machines etc, at least an upper and upper middle class Iranian in Tehran or somesuch has. That doesn't mean that living conditions in Iran are good or equivalent to what they could potentially have had they not been sanctioned.

    Millions and millions of other Iranians are struggling with the basic necessities, buying a cellphone is a multi-month full wage investment, going on a holiday outside Iran is something they only ever heard about, going abroad for studies or work is almost an unheard of privilege completely reserved to the upper classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though.
    Hey, remember that experiment we tried a while ago?

    Your first thought should be "Maybe Russia lied."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    So it seems a Patriot battery shot down one of those hypersonic missiles that according to Putin were unstopable.
    But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
    Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    So it seems a Patriot battery shot down one of those hypersonic missiles that according to Putin were unstopable.
    Now to be fair to ol' Putty, it's entirely possible he was told that the new missiles would be unstoppable while the people making them made off with most of the money to spend on blow and Chechen prostitutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Take with a bale of salt, but it seems there's some problems between priggy en the rest of the russian armed forces.

    https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...247191040?s=20

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    Given there seems to be an agreement for the tiktok warriors to replace the Wankers and there are still thousands of Wankers in Bakhmut, I'm going to doubt that one. russia turning their guns on the wankers would just result in heavy losses for both sides and leave a large he in their lines.

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