Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

if this war ends in Russia's defeat, would business just go back to usual? Like they just say "sorry ok" and we immediately resume trade with them like nothing of long-lasting consequence occurred.

That seems to be the way the Russians are leaning lately (i.e considering admitting defeat). Or at least what they're hoping for because even though it comes off as some blackmail, Russia believes the world can't live without its resources in the global economy.

My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.

[YUPPIE]

My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.

if the sanctions genuinely do anything, they will eventually be forced to bend the knee and say sorry - lest they live in destitution forever. Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though. I watch pro-Russian vloggers that claim they aren't and like to show their "normal" lifestyle that "hasn't changed."

This is a war of lies and propaganda.

[Calfredd]

This is a war of lies and propaganda.

By the Russian Government.

[Iphie]

My man, there is absolutely no goddamn chance of Russians ever going "woops my bad, sorry". It is literally impossible.

I'd like to amend that to "No current russian official", I mean I know a few Russians who are appalled by this war and would apologize in a heartbeat.

[Gabriel]

if the sanctions genuinely do anything, they will eventually be forced to bend the knee and say sorry - lest they live in destitution forever. Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though. I watch pro-Russian vloggers that claim they aren't and like to show their "normal" lifestyle that "hasn't changed."

This is a war of lies and propaganda.

My child... You don't understand the Russian psyche at all.

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I'd like to amend that to "No current russian official", I mean I know a few Russians who are appalled by this war and would apologize in a heartbeat.

Anomalies exist ofc.

[Elder Millennial]

More dumb stuff

If you are wealthy enough, your lifestyle hasn't changed, well except that you can't go on holidays almost anywhere in the developed world and if you do travel somewhere where you're allowed to go, you're a cash only traveler unless you set up a bank account outside Russia or bought a truckload of pre-paid debit cards. Otherwise you can probably still buy most of anything as Russia still imports most of every consumer good via Turkey and China, tho at significantly higher prices.

On the other hand if you are THE AVERAGE Russian you are essentially fucked 11 different ways. Inflation on consumer goods is somewhere between 50 to 100%, same on consumer electronics. This is somewhat offset in statistics by largely static energy and fuel prices and a drop in the cost of real estate. Russia lucked out to some extent on being both an energy exporter and largely being able to produce a food surplus domestically.

But both of those things are tenuous. The USSR was also hypothetically self sufficient, yet food shortages were always a thing and got really bad by the 80's, as was energy and fuel rationing as it lacked agricultural machinery and the ability to build and maintain its own energy and fuel infrastructure (something it still can't do).

Also, imagine that...a Pro-Russian vlogger will say how everything is A-okay. Who could have thunked that?

Iran has been sanctioned for what? Fifty years now? People still have Iphones and Samsung phones and German, American and Japanese cars, they have pizzerias and copycat KFC's, washing machines etc, at least an upper and upper middle class Iranian in Tehran or somesuch has. That doesn't mean that living conditions in Iran are good or equivalent to what they could potentially have had they not been sanctioned.

Millions and millions of other Iranians are struggling with the basic necessities, buying a cellphone is a multi-month full wage investment, going on a holiday outside Iran is something they only ever heard about, going abroad for studies or work is almost an unheard of privilege completely reserved to the upper classes.

[Kaleredar]

Whether the sanctions are doing anything right now is muddled though.

Hey, remember that experiment we tried a while ago?

Your first thought should be "Maybe Russia lied."

[Bakis]

So it seems a Patriot battery shot down one of those hypersonic missiles that according to Putin were unstopable.

[Kaleredar]

So it seems a Patriot battery shot down one of those hypersonic missiles that according to Putin were unstopable.

Now to be fair to ol' Putty, it's entirely possible he was told that the new missiles would be unstoppable while the people making them made off with most of the money to spend on blow and Chechen prostitutes.

[Iphie]

Take with a bale of salt, but it seems there's some problems between priggy en the rest of the russian armed forces.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...247191040?s=20

[Corvus]

Given there seems to be an agreement for the tiktok warriors to replace the Wankers and there are still thousands of Wankers in Bakhmut, I'm going to doubt that one. russia turning their guns on the wankers would just result in heavy losses for both sides and leave a large he in their lines.

[Iphie]

Given there seems to be an agreement for the tiktok warriors to replace the Wankers and there are still thousands of Wankers in Bakhmut, I'm going to doubt that one. russia turning their guns on the wankers would just result in heavy losses for both sides and leave a large he in their lines.

Hence bale of salt, but at the same time it is also reported that Kaddy is telling wankers that they should put themselves under his command instead of under Priggy's. There's a lot of misinformation going on and I really wouldn't be surprised if they actually start shooting at each other. Don't forget that prig's allies have been targeted lately with bombs.

Time will tell, but I won't cry if and when they start "injuring" each other.

[Corvus]

As expected, the bakhmut withdrawal is off. The Prig is saying the russians mod has promised him the weapons and ammo to continue the fight.

[Iphie]

As expected, the bakhmut withdrawal is off. The Prig is saying the russians mod has promised him the weapons and ammo to continue the fight.

You gotta wonder though, why does prig believe this? His ammo issues aren't new, and aren't a one time thing. russians lie, to everyone, even their own.


EDIT: apparently the MoD hasn't confirmed anything yet. So who knows at this point.

[jonnysensible]

Take with a bale of salt, but it seems there's some problems between priggy en the rest of the russian armed forces.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...247191040?s=20

gonna keep saying that that twitter account is a bullshit merchant who posts copium like that and then asks for donations. Absolute ghoul.

[Belize]

I watch pro-Russian vloggers

Imagine tipping your hand like that. Then again, can't be too bright to be consuming Russian propaganda and believing it.

[draynay]

Imagine tipping your hand like that.

Because yuppie was a total mystery up until then.

[YUPPIE]

the problem with that statement is it's not exactly shilling Russia. It's simply hard to tell what sanctioned life is like in Russia because peasant/average life is being faced with arrests and censorship, or the average person is in total denial of their life becoming worse even when left with a choice to mildly express themselves.

So all you're really mostly left with to watch are the semi to pro-Russian vloggers, who at least give shit like modern tours in Russia's inner states.

[Vladier]

the problem with that statement is it's not exactly shilling Russia. It's simply hard to tell what sanctioned life is like in Russia because peasant/average life is being faced with arrests and censorship, or the average person is in total denial of their life becoming worse even when left with a choice to mildly express themselves.

So all you're really mostly left with to watch are the semi to pro-Russian vloggers, who at least give shit like modern tours in Russia's inner states.

Pretty sure there's at least one channel on YouTube run by a Russian who isn't a pro-Russian vlogger and who makes such videos, but this isn't the first time you've shown the limitations of your informational ecumene as you present it, and I have to imagine that the force that would change that would have to be truly staggering in its influence on you.

[Yunru]

So this exists:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2..._Mobilization/

Its weird that steam left a game like this on their store