Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

The recruiters specifically talked about Ukraine so they aren't talking about future recruitment.

In all fairness, it's not impossible the 3-day special operation turns into a 3-year war. Hopefully not, but there's a chance.

[Corvus]

In all fairness, it's not impossible the 3-day special operation turns into a 3-year war. Hopefully not, but there's a chance.

Technically that is possible but they need those new corpses right now, not in 3 years.

[Elder Millennial]

In all fairness, it's not impossible the 3-day special operation turns into a 3-year war. Hopefully not, but there's a chance.

I don't think Russia can drag this out for 3 years.

The logistical difference is really starting to show now.

Most estimates now say that Ukraine is the more mechanized force. Literally, Ukraine today has more armor, light and heavy, more vehicles etc than the Russians do.

And there's way more on the way.

Also the Russian munitions problem is getting worse while both the US and the EU have been ramping up output. Ukraine also now has at least 3 of the 9 new brigades that are essentially NATO standard trained in the UK, Spain, Germany and Poland. And there are an estimated 6 more brigades worth of trainees coming through NATO training programs as we speak.

As things are going I also wouldn't be whatsoever surprised if by the end of the year Ukraine would also have the larger and more modern air force.

There is a point where this is just becoming unsustainable.

[YUPPIE]

I don't think Russia can drag this out for 3 years.

The logistical difference is really starting to show now.

Most estimates now say that Ukraine is the more mechanized force. Literally, Ukraine today has more armor, light and heavy, more vehicles etc than the Russians do.

And there's way more on the way.

Also the Russian munitions problem is getting worse while both the US and the EU have been ramping up output. Ukraine also now has at least 3 of the 9 new brigades that are essentially NATO standard trained in the UK, Spain, Germany and Poland. And there are an estimated 6 more brigades worth of trainees coming through NATO training programs as we speak.

As things are going I also wouldn't be whatsoever surprised if by the end of the year Ukraine would also have the larger and more modern air force.

There is a point where this is just becoming unsustainable.

they can indeed go for 3 years and more if Putin hard pushes the narrative they're fighting for their right to exist on the planet, and turns Russia into a full-blown authoritarian NK-like state. Since no one in Russia really stands up to Putin, they'd prob just go with it.

Also, if Russia is on the brink of losing without doubt, well you know, they can do something else to swing the war in their favor

[Joszef Kiprich]

they can indeed go for 3 years and more if Putin hard pushes the narrative they're fighting for their right to exist on the planet, and turns Russia into a full-blown authoritarian NK-like state. Since no one in Russia really stands up to Putin, they'd prob just go with it.

Also, if Russia is on the brink of losing without doubt, well you know, they can do something else to swing the war in their favor

No, Russia can't take it for 3 more years.
And come on, don't be shy, just say it Tweek.

[YUPPIE]

this war is not ending any time soon, at least. That's just pure optimistic propaganda to keep morale up. Remember the Soviet Union just threw everyone at the grinder and this isn't even close to that yet.

[Calfredd]

this war is not ending any time soon, at least. That's just pure optimistic propaganda to keep morale up. Remember the Soviet Union just threw everyone at the grinder and this isn't even close to that yet.

And you thinking Russia even has the supplies to keep going for 3 whole years is just pure propaganda.

[Dontrike]

this war is not ending any time soon, at least. That's just pure optimistic propaganda to keep morale up. Remember the Soviet Union just threw everyone at the grinder and this isn't even close to that yet.

Isn't it though? They've been throwing soldiers to the grinder already, and that's just one step from everyone else. When they rush in with near no equipment and get gunned down in the hundreds, even thousands, it's clear they're at that point, just not the extreme of it.

[Joszef Kiprich]

The soviet union had more meat (read non-russians) to throw to the grinder. The fact that Prig is openly revolting against the russian government and still hasn't fell through a window, says enough.

[Gabriel]

they can indeed go for 3 years and more if Putin hard pushes the narrative they're fighting for their right to exist on the planet, and turns Russia into a full-blown authoritarian NK-like state. Since no one in Russia really stands up to Putin, they'd prob just go with it.

Also, if Russia is on the brink of losing without doubt, well you know, they can do something else to swing the war in their favor

Say the line Yuppie.

[YUPPIE]

Say the line Yuppie.

no not nuclear weapons, I don't know why you're even implying that. I just meant Russia as an overly populated authoritarian state will always have something to pull out from just the logistics of their resources (by land, disposable people, etc)

"Something" can mean anything.

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The fact that Prig is openly revolting against the russian government and still hasn't fell through a window, says enough.

i'd never believe a word that guy says. As some commentators have pointed out, it could just be a strategic ploy to lull Ukraine into a false sense of security. That's also evidently why he's not executed by Putin.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Haha, afraid of a forum vacation. Everyone knows you were implying it.

[alach]

I don't believe that that is for the 'now' as it were.

No matter when this ends, Russia's military has been severly depleted, and for a country that depends on projecting strength, they need to start planning on that for the future - or they won't even have enough men to march in their parades.

[jonnysensible]

so girkin is saying the jets/heli's that got shot down were via MANPADS, which if true is crazy. A Ukranian special ops team using data to track where the planes were firing from previously, sending a team into the area in Russia proper and downing them would be cool as fuck if true. But then again its Girkin the man who shot down a domestic plane by accident because hes an idiot and terrorist.

[jonnysensible]

I don't believe that that is for the 'now' as it were.

No matter when this ends, Russia's military has been severly depleted, and for a country that depends on projecting strength, they need to start planning on that for the future - or they won't even have enough men to march in their parades.

their ground forces have no offensive threat anymore, 6 months of this offensive and they have taken a few streets in bakhmut. Thier ground forces now pose 0 threat to any NATO countries. Crazy how Russia could use its bluster pre invasion and now its completely fucked. 10 years + to reconstitute the manpower, 20+ to even get close to the levels of material they have lost.

Pretending to be a superpower when you have the GDP as italy.

[YUPPIE]

You said they can do something to swing the war in their favour.

there's the fact Russia is indeed gaining more allies in their war effort - as pointed out last page -, including China despite intense hope they aren't helping them out much.

...They have the resources.

[Iphie]

there's the fact Russia is indeed gaining more allies in their war effort - as pointed out last page -, including China despite intense hope they aren't helping them out much.

...They have the resources.

China is in it for themselves, they are not attaching their fate to a sinking ship. NK and Iran are jokes when it comes to help in the end, as it won't make much difference. Syria, Venezuela and Nicaragua are dragging their feet and the rest of the BRICS have found something very interesting to look at on the wall. "Allies" indeed.

[YUPPIE]

Okay and? They aren't getting more boots on the ground

They will when Putin forces conscription on masse at a larger scale than now, right from the heart of Moscow. I mean even now. Putin is exercising some restraint there presumably because he fears compromising his lies will cause some Russian civilian revolt he couldn't survive.

But in time, he will tighten his grip and force a more authoritarian narrative.

[YUPPIE]

you HOPE Russia can keep this going for up to 3 more years.

no, I'm just being real. I don't do idealism or optimism.

Also, I said multiple times before I'd like for this war to end quickly already since it has lost any interesting developments; those come after it's concluded. That does not mean "entertaining", I just mean this is getting tiresome.

[Dontrike]

no, I'm just being real.

No, you're not. Maybe your version of "real", but definitely nothing that even orbits around reality.