Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

I think something is being misunderstood by you people(?). When someone like this guy says he's going to sell out the positions of his own troops, it's so blatantly just a trap to lure Ukrainians in.

That's what I mean by no one being gullible enough to fall for such a trick.

In fact, everything this guy says recently that sounds treasonous can be implied to lull his enemies into a false sense of security.

Bro, if there is one thing you specifically should never ever do, it is calling someone else gullible.

And speaking of which, why do you assume Prig has any nationalistic loyalty? Dude runs a mercenary company for fuck's sake.

[YUPPIE]

And speaking of which, why do you assume Prig has any nationalistic loyalty? Dude runs a mercenary company for fuck's sake.

He is shown in numerous photos implying him to be one of Putin's most elite henchmen and Wagner has long had a reputation as Putin's personal hit squad abroad.

I will never doubt his loyalty to Putin.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Someone missed all those vids of the last couple of weeks.

[Gabriel]

He is shown in numerous photos implying him to be one of Putin's most elite henchmen and Wagner has long had a reputation as Putin's personal hit squad abroad.

I will never doubt his loyalty to Putin.

Never miss an opportunity to swallow Kremlin propaganda hook, line, sinker, rod, fisherman and boat.

[Dontrike]

and why do/would you believe anything this psychopath says?

Please tell me you notice the irony in YOU asking why someone believes a psychopath.

[Iphie]

Who wants an easy russian citizenship?

This war is going great...

[jonnysensible]

Who wants an easy russian citizenship?

This war is going great...

is it ok if i fight for ukraine near bakhmut?

[YUPPIE]

Zelenksy basically calls Putin an insane piece of shit as well as saying Russia only ever lies.
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"There is nothing to talk to him about," Zelenskyy stated.

"I'll give you an example from my life. In 2019, I became president. There was a lot of different criticism, people didn't want to talk to Putin. I said: 'I will, I will try a dialog'. It didn't give me any advantages in politics – I genuinely wanted to end the war, I wanted to find an agreement. It took us a long time to decide, because he was like a princess, sorry, he couldn't find a format in which we could meet. We did everything, and I did everything, to have a conversation."

And in the end, he recalled, an agreement was reached with Russia on a ceasefire, but the Russians did not adhere to it.

"We had a dialog on the phone, we had a meeting in the Normandy format," the head of state said.

"We exchanged the first 110 people and I was very happy. We agreed not to shoot: 'Let's do this - there will be a ceasefire for some time, and after that we will move on'. Daily provocations (began): one person was wounded, one person was killed. I called him, and there was a conversation that it could not be an accident: there are snipers from the occupied territories along this border (demarcation line). It was a live safari: they were coming and practicing on us. And everybody knew that they were bringing these special forces and these snipers from other territories where they were fighting. It was a safari. They allowed them to train on us, on living people."

Zelenskyy said that he tried to have a dialog with Putin, but the Russian leader in fact didn't want (to find a compromise).

"I tried to find a dialog," the president said.

"After that, we did not have any dialog. I made many requests to the Kremlin. I never hid it. I called all the states, absolutely: Israel, the United States, Britain, Germany, France. I asked everyone. I just wanted to talk on the phone. I said that I believed that the number of shots was increasing, the number of deaths on the contact line was increasing, there was a serious threat, there could be an escalation."

But Putin, according to him, agreed to the talks only to use them to his advantage.

"With whom to talk?," Zelenskyy asked. "With whom? He doesn't want anything. It's a joke for him. Now that he sees that he has become weaker, Russia is looking for something to calm down all the states. So that sanctions are not imposed, so that we are not helped, it can take some diplomatic step. But after that, believe me, in a year's time, he will come in an invasion to kill us again. Everything is obvious with him: he does not understand what is happening, he is an insane human."

[zealo]

is it ok if i fight for ukraine near bakhmut?

If you have any sort of experience from the British military I’m sure the Ukrainians would welcome you with open arms if you want to go fight as a volunteer.

[Gabriel]

Zelenksy basically calls Putin an insane piece of shit as well as saying Russia only ever lies.
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"There is nothing to talk to him about," Zelenskyy stated.

"I'll give you an example from my life. In 2019, I became president. There was a lot of different criticism, people didn't want to talk to Putin. I said: 'I will, I will try a dialog'. It didn't give me any advantages in politics – I genuinely wanted to end the war, I wanted to find an agreement. It took us a long time to decide, because he was like a princess, sorry, he couldn't find a format in which we could meet. We did everything, and I did everything, to have a conversation."

And in the end, he recalled, an agreement was reached with Russia on a ceasefire, but the Russians did not adhere to it.

"We had a dialog on the phone, we had a meeting in the Normandy format," the head of state said.

"We exchanged the first 110 people and I was very happy. We agreed not to shoot: 'Let's do this - there will be a ceasefire for some time, and after that we will move on'. Daily provocations (began): one person was wounded, one person was killed. I called him, and there was a conversation that it could not be an accident: there are snipers from the occupied territories along this border (demarcation line). It was a live safari: they were coming and practicing on us. And everybody knew that they were bringing these special forces and these snipers from other territories where they were fighting. It was a safari. They allowed them to train on us, on living people."

Zelenskyy said that he tried to have a dialog with Putin, but the Russian leader in fact didn't want (to find a compromise).

"I tried to find a dialog," the president said.

"After that, we did not have any dialog. I made many requests to the Kremlin. I never hid it. I called all the states, absolutely: Israel, the United States, Britain, Germany, France. I asked everyone. I just wanted to talk on the phone. I said that I believed that the number of shots was increasing, the number of deaths on the contact line was increasing, there was a serious threat, there could be an escalation."

But Putin, according to him, agreed to the talks only to use them to his advantage.

"With whom to talk?," Zelenskyy asked. "With whom? He doesn't want anything. It's a joke for him. Now that he sees that he has become weaker, Russia is looking for something to calm down all the states. So that sanctions are not imposed, so that we are not helped, it can take some diplomatic step. But after that, believe me, in a year's time, he will come in an invasion to kill us again. Everything is obvious with him: he does not understand what is happening, he is an insane human."

About time someone said it out loud at head of state level.

[Belize]

I, for the life of me, cannot fathom why anyone is still responding to diet-Shalcker who's admitted to getting most of its information from pro-Russia bloggers.

Like, just ignore the obviously mentally ill propagandist.

[TACOshake]

I, for the life of me, cannot fathom why anyone is still responding to diet-Shalcker who's admitted to getting most of its information from pro-Russia bloggers.

Like, just ignore the obviously mentally ill propagandist.

It's a big part of the meta now.
Very bored people posting all of their untreated anxity and neurosis online.
Other Very Bored People endlessly circle jerkming or dog piling these people.

Reminds me of the time the Dr. Phil invited the Bum Fights guy on his show. To scold him for exploiting the homeless.
Only to have Mr. BumFights come on dressed like Dr. Phil , and explain they both exploit vulnerable people.

[Elder Millennial]

The Russians lie so compulsively that they have like 4 of 5 different words for different types of lying.

At this point if a Russian told me the sky is blue and water is wet, I'd have to double check before agreeing.

[Xyonai]

So I don't want to huff too much copium but I also want to scoot away from the circle-jerk for a moment; Been loosely following the Bakhmut situation and it's looking like Ukraine might very well surround the invading forces in a couple weeks at the rate they're going.

And if they can encircle and force the remaining vatniks there to surrender, or make them retreat before they're closed in, they'll have denied Russia a huge propaganda victory and I would find it fucking hilarious considering how much time and effort Russia and Wagner have spent fighting over that place.

[YUPPIE]

it's already been known for a while now Russia is almost assuredly going to lose their rip on Bahkmut. It was even mentioned a mere few pages ago in regards to the Wagner boss being upset.

The real question is: How will Russia react when it is lost? As you stated, it's a huge part of their propaganda. They also repeatedly said Bahkmut is a "red line" in order to dissuade the Ukrainians - but as with Crimea, that doesn't sway anyone.

All bark little bite.

[Gabriel]

it's already been known for a while now Russia is almost assuredly going to lose their rip on Bahkmut. It was even mentioned a mere few pages ago in regards to the Wagner boss being upset.

The real question is: How will Russia react when it is lost? As you stated, it's a huge part of their propaganda. They also repeatedly said Bahkmut is a "red line" in order to dissuade the Ukrainians - but as with Crimea, that doesn't sway anyone.

All bark little bite.

"Haha faggot westerners think we really wanted Bakhmut? It was all a ruse xaxaxaxaxaxaxa )))))))))"

Literally nothing will happen.

[Xyonai]

"Haha faggot westerners think we really wanted Bakhmut? It was all a ruse xaxaxaxaxaxaxa )))))))))"

Literally nothing will happen.

On the contrary, they'll probably throw a tantrum and launch another missile barrage at children's hospitals and apartment buildings like they did when the Crimean Bridge was damaged, though with a mix of Russian Missile shortages and the Patriots being Patriots, it'll amount to 'figuratively' nothing happening.

If their military was in any better shape, I could imagine them launching a retaliatory counter-counter offensive at a weaker part of the Ukraine line, but the more they sit back and just dig in the more they're going to get hammered by drones and Storm Shadows so they might feel pressured to launch an offensive anyway just to take some heat off and save face.

[Gabriel]

On the contrary, they'll probably throw a tantrum and launch another missile barrage at children's hospitals and apartment buildings like they did when the Crimean Bridge was damaged, though with a mix of Russian Missile shortages and the Patriots being Patriots, it'll amount to 'figuratively' nothing happening.

If their military was in any better shape, I could imagine them launching a retaliatory counter-counter offensive at a weaker part of the Ukraine line, but the more they sit back and just dig in the more they're going to get hammered by drones and Storm Shadows so they might feel pressured to launch an offensive anyway just to take some heat off and save face.

What do you think they are trying to do right now?

[Belize]

What do you think they are trying to do right now?

Uh... A special 3 day operation?

[Xyonai]

What do you think they are trying to do right now?

Should've specified a 'different offensive', but point taken.

Their options right now suck, which is both good and bad. Good because lmao fuck 'em, bad because they might do something more unhinged if they start rapidly backsliding (But also lmao fuck 'em, unhinge 'em anyway).

Like there's no shot Russia has any big wonder weapons left up their sleeve; their brand new tanks and brand new jets don't actually exist (and are sub-standard compared to what they'll be facing in Ukraine anyway), their missile stockpiles are dwindling, and their troop moral hasn't existed for months. But their leadership (IE: Putin) are desperate to not come out of this looking like fools to their populace and there's only so many ways you can domestically spin losing a front you've been hammering for months to a single counter offensive and might do something really stupid.

Key word being 'might'. I won't scaremonger about nukes, considering how much their state propaganda keeps having to jerk off about Nuclear stockpiles I'm actually fairly convinced their arsenal of missiles is in the shitter and they'd rather keep the threat of them existing looming than risk firing one, failing for any number of reasons, then getting turned into a parking lot by NATO; but who knows with these people.