Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

It just reasserts Putin is fucking terrifying. He kills you without a doubt if you cross him even slightly.

And yet teh Prig and the Gherkin continue to takes shots at the war effort and even pootie and they are still alive. Pootie only goes after the small fry. If he was so powerful the Prig and the Gherkin would have been dead a long time ago.

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its quite ironic that the guys raiding belogrod region are actual nazis, who are Russian and Russia is struggling to kill them.

There are two groups involved in this - I knew one had nazi elements but I don't think the other does.

There have been some reports that the russians have been used grads and unguided rockets from helicopters against the freedom fighters. Yeah, they are 'liberating' russian villages russian style, ie blowing them up.

[Elder Millennial]

The effective loss of Bakhmut has sure given Russian trolls and their western sympathizers plenty of ammunition.

Enough that it kinda overshadowed the significance of the incursion into Belgorod.

If the Ruskibots and Ruskifans are good at anything is downplaying their losses and over hyping ever single gain (no matter what it cost). Ukraine really needs to hit back somewhere and hit back hard or risk the resurgence of the "negotiate yourselves into submission" narrative.

[Corvus]

The freedom fighters seem to have dug in and aren't retreating yet. They seem to have chosen a good spot for it as well, as to their north and east are rivers and to the south and west is Ukrainian controlled territory. So to get at them, the russians have to cross rivers. And they don't appear to have a lot of troops around yet. Meanwhile the freedom fighters brought a couple of tanks plus afvs, uavs and artillery with them. And they've even captured some more armoured vehicles and a valuable jammer system. It could explain why the russians are resorting to inaccurate rocket attacks from helicopters and planes on their own territory - at the moment it is all they can do.

There aren't any firm numbers of how many are involved - estimates range from 200 to 2000. If the later, then it will be a serious effort to dig them out.

[jonnysensible]

The effective loss of Bakhmut has sure given Russian trolls and their western sympathizers plenty of ammunition.

Enough that it kinda overshadowed the significance of the incursion into Belgorod.

If the Ruskibots and Ruskifans are good at anything is downplaying their losses and over hyping ever single gain (no matter what it cost). Ukraine really needs to hit back somewhere and hit back hard or risk the resurgence of the "negotiate yourselves into submission" narrative.

they absolutely dont for the reason you have identified, who cares what online retards and sycophants think.

[Flarelaine]

Those guys that took Belgorod should hold referendums about joining Ukraine.

For the record, the region of Belgorod used to be Ukrainian-speaking.

[Iphie]

For the record, the region of Belgorod used to be Ukrainian-speaking.

Just returning "historic lands", eh? russia should be sympathetic to that.

[jonnysensible]

lol at their messaging : "The Russian Federation has no reserves to respond to military crises - all servicemen are dead, wounded or in Ukraine", the post continues. "The Russian Federation is absolutely not protected."

[Corvus]

There is a certain irony that the Belgorod government spent 10 billion rubles on fortifying the border with dragons teeth and ditches and the freedom fighters just walked through them as there were no troops to actually use them.

How much was also embezzled is the next question.

[Iphie]

There is a certain irony that the Belgorod government spent 10 billion rubles on fortifying the border with dragons teeth and ditches and the freedom fighters just walked through them as there were no troops to actually use them.

How much was also embezzled is the next question.

But you have to understand, no one was ever supposed to come here! It's not the fault of the Belgorod government! (obviously sarcasm but I'm almost sure that's their thought process.)

[enigma77]

This shit is the gift that keeps on giving lol

[Azadina]

But you have to understand, no one was ever supposed to come here! It's not the fault of the Belgorod government! (obviously sarcasm but I'm almost sure that's their thought process.)

That's also why fearing RuZZki nukes is beyond silly. What better place to steal from, than money going to weapons that are never to see use? And even if situation came up where they were to be used, it's all over either way, and won't make any difference to the thieves.

[YUPPIE]

That's also why fearing RuZZki nukes is beyond silly. What better place to steal from, than money going to weapons that are never to see use? And even if situation came up where they were to be used, it's all over either way, and won't make any difference to the thieves.

you're like this now because Russia isn't really jeopardized and just looks foolish, but keep in mind Joe Biden still has Ukraine on a leash: he warns them "do not ever use this (weapon/tech) here" or "don't kill this specific Russian"; this all indicates that yes, there is a level of concern for what Russia will do should they feel cornered. Thus, we are trying to make sure they don't suffer an overwhelming defeat.

[jonnysensible]

you're like this now because Russia isn't really jeopardized and just looks foolish, but keep in mind Joe Biden still has Ukraine on a leash: he warns them "do not ever use this (weapon/tech) here" or "don't kill this specific Russian"; this all indicates that yes, there is a level of concern for what Russia will do should they feel cornered. Thus, we are trying to make sure they don't suffer an overwhelming defeat.

neither side is holding back

[Azadina]

you're like this now because Russia isn't really jeopardized and just looks foolish, but keep in mind Joe Biden still has Ukraine on a leash: he warns them "do not ever use this (weapon/tech) here" or "don't kill this specific Russian"; this all indicates that yes, there is a level of concern for what Russia will do should they feel cornered. Thus, we are trying to make sure they don't suffer an overwhelming defeat.

Just because you can find a person who might believe in the bluff, doesn't mean it still isn't one. It sure is, and the sooner it's exposed as one, the better for everyone. Well, apart from terrorists that rely on it.

[YUPPIE]

neither side is holding back

both sides are holding back.

Ukraine is not hitting as hard as it'd like it could because they're being leashed by their Western benefactors to not do certain things

And Russia is obviously not pulling out WMDs or conscripting on masse from within Moscow, trying to preserve an illusion of being victimized up until their back is really pushed against the wall.

[Edge-]

both sides are holding back.

Ukraine is not hitting as hard as it'd like it could because they're being leashed by their Western benefactors to not do certain things

And Russia is obviously not pulling out WMDs or conscripting on masse from within Moscow, trying to preserve an illusion of being victimized up until their back is really pushed against the wall.

Are there not enough war crimes for your taste?

[YUPPIE]

Are there not enough war crimes for your taste?

"to not do certain things."

That doesn't imply Ukraine would be committing war crimes without a leash. It's just the West is impeding their ability to decisively end the war because they don't want Russia to feel cornered. These actions include launching missiles upon Putin's villas, assassinating certain key state generals, Putin himself, etc

[Edge-]

"to not do certain things."

That doesn't imply Ukraine would be committing war crimes without a leash. It's just the West is impeding their ability to decisively end the war because they don't want Russia to feel cornered. These actions include launching missiles upon Putin's villas, assassinating certain key state generals, Putin himself, etc

Generalisimo Yuppie, that would not end the war decisively, rofl.

[jonnysensible]

both sides are holding back.

Ukraine is not hitting as hard as it'd like it could because they're being leashed by their Western benefactors to not do certain things

And Russia is obviously not pulling out WMDs or conscripting on masse from within Moscow, trying to preserve an illusion of being victimized up until their back is really pushed against the wall.

ukraine is not holding back it is doing everything it can with the resources it has.

Russia is not 'pulling out WMD's' because it is not viable to use them or using mass conscription because it is not politically viable to do currently.

[YUPPIE]

currently.

yeah, hence why I wrote Russia's not cornered yet.